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friar in french

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reading a wikipedia article about fr. ronald knox. i take it the fr. means "friar" but maybe i am wrong.
The french version of the article says mr. knox's title became "Mgr Knox" once he had become a priest. what exactly does "mgr" stand for? (in the article the typeset is different but copy and paste did not do the trick here: the m is normal size, the gr small and "to the top"...)

sorry my dictionary did not help here

It's Monseignour.

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Yes, Monseignor.

And "Fr." is the abbreviation of "Father" (i.e. the way a priest is addressed) not "friar." Knox would have started his career as Fr. Knox and become Mgr. Knox later in life. ("Monsignor" in the Catholic church is a distinction conferred only on certain priests who hold some particularly important office, or who have served with particular distinction during their careers.)

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cheers i'm glad i asked

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The usual English spelling in Monsignor, as in zashibis's second attempt.

Knox came up in conversation just the other week. Supposedly once he was in a railway compartment, staring at the Times crossword for a minute or two. A neighbor asked "Would you like a pencil?" "No, thanks; I've just finished," he said, putting the paper away.

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Oh, and on "Fr." --

Frederick Rolfe, "Baron Corvo" published his play Hadrian VII as "Fr. Rolfe" leading people to think he was a Catholic priest -- something the Church had always been to smart to allow, however much he thought he wanted it.

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something the Church had always been to smart to allow, however much he thought he wanted it.

-== PARSING ERROR ==-

Please elaborate!

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Apparently TT didn't like my link.

I'll try again.

Frederick Rolfe Baron Corvo.

I had put Baron Corvo in quotes; maybe that was the problem.

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Well, I found that link by myself. What puzzled me was the unintelligibility of your final line.

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Yeah, I couldn't be arsed to figure out how to say it correctly. I thought people would understand what I meant. Sorry. Here goes:

. . . leading people to think that he was a Catholic priest, although the Church had always to be smart to admit him to the priesthood, however much he wanted, or he thought he wanted, to be a priest.

Still not elegant.

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although the Church had always to be smart to admit him to the priesthood

OK, I think I understand now, assuming I have to replace 'to be smart' with 'been too smart' from your original post.

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Right.

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