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Have many people here on Thorn Tree done Couchsurfing? There never seems to be much in the way of actual feedback of stays/visits.

Just go to any random profile on couchsurfing.com and have a read. Feedback is public.

max...how do these poor people in third world countries arrive at ''an expensive european city''?

Most people I hosted in Europe were poor Europeans. Some were from 3rd world countries. Some of the Europeans were hitchhiking around the continent. Many arrived on budget airlines, paying ~50€ or less. I don't remember how the others arrived, I think one was in Europe anyway for some event and took the opportunity to travel, one flew in from Asia and was doing a several month long backpacking trip, her flights probably cost around 500€. She had been hosting people herself in Asia, and now built her trip around the contacts she had created.

The consensus on the west europe branch is that you need minimum 50€/day to survive. For a two month trip, that's 3000€. You can see how flight costs are just a fraction of this number. With couchsurfing, you could get by with perhaps 10€/day. That you need to offer monetary payment to your host is just nonsense. There are other ways you can contribute.

How do they find couchsurfing opportunities without internet access?

I've been wondering the same thing. But you have traveled yourself Lucapal. As I'm sure you know, even people living in small 3rd world villages are on facebook these days.

Max I said travel was not a right. Therefore you shouldn't expect to travel, it is a luxury. Just as you shouldn't expect a ferrari or a rolex. /../ people with less money should always travel to locations within their budget. It is completely irresponsible to go somewhere you can not afford to stay.

You are completely missing the point. Couchsurfing is a way for poor people to go to these places. It opens up the world for them. It now IS within their budget, because they stay for free. Who says travel is a luxury? Who is it irresponsible to? I gladly host these people when they come to my city, and I have visited several of my surfers in their home towns and they have reciprocated with incredible hospitality. We're all happy, win-win, no-one is feeling used. So what is with the aversion, people? Is it jealousy? If you are paying a lot of money to travel, then so should everyone else? Or a feeling that you have been missing out by not using CS and now trying to justify it?

I think the point Max is that there is a segment who are only interested in a free bed, whether they could afford to pay for a hostel bed or not. More and more of the freeloaders (to use a polite term) are catching on.

I'll repeat. There is a system in place for that: reviews. Put it in the review so others will see. And don't host someone with bad reviews.

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I don't think anybody is saying couchsurfing doesn't potentially benefit everyone involved. The problem is that SOME people on there simply use it as an excuse to try and freeload off willing hosts. There is a big difference between criticising couch surfing and criticising some of the people that use the site.

I have used the couchsurfing site myself to some degree. Never hosted or stayed at another persons house but have arranged to meet people off there to spend days with or go out for food with. I have had a lot of good encounters doing this. I would personally not feel comfortable staying at a strangers house for free, particularly as I live in a very small isolated town so don't have the opportunity to host travelers and give something back. Basically I would feel like I was taking advantage of the system. I have no problem paying for a hostel/b&b. Lets be honest in the majority of the world you can get a place for under $15 anyway. By the time you have cooked your host a meal and gave them a small gift (as I would personally chose to do to thank them for their kindness) you are not saving that much money.

Why would travel not be a luxury? You can feed me all the lines you want about "cultural immersion", "broadening the mind" etc. but lets be honest the main reason we all travel is because we enjoy it. Travel is not essential to life.

I still think it is irresponsible to travel somewhere you can not afford to stay. What happens if the persons host has to cancel last minute? They have nowhere to stay and can't afford a hotel room, making them pretty much by definition a freeloader.

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Please take a look at the CS profile for my friend Scruff Riley. I think he embodies CS better than anyone else and should give you a better idea of what CS is about. He's Canadian, 29, and has been traveling the world for 10 years without a cent! Pay particular attention to the section under "Opinion on the Couchsurfing.org Project".

http://www.couchsurfing.org/profile.html?id=2PC8ESF

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'Just go to any random profile on couchsurfing.com and have a read. Feedback is public.'

It's people on T.T. who I am more interested in hearing from.

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I would be interested in seeing the statistics...how many couchsurfers are American/West European/Australian etc. vs how many are 3rd world African,Bolivian or Cambodian etc.

Maybe 999-1 ?

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And max...if you think an Asian who can afford to spend 500 euros on a flight is 'poor'...maybe you need to travel there a bit more off the beaten track.

Go to some of those ''3rd world villages'' and see how they really live.....

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It's people on T.T. who I am more interested in hearing from.

Scruff Riley is on TT as well.

I would be interested in seeing the statistics...how many couchsurfers are American/West European/Australian etc. vs how many are 3rd world African,Bolivian or Cambodian etc. Maybe 999-1 ?

Maybe that is the thing, that people are making up numbers and ideas and basing their aversion on that? The detailed statistics are not available any more since CS is no longer a non-profit, but here are stats from 2 years ago:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/Couchsurfers_by_country.png

Here are some more up-to-date stats:

http://www.couchsurfing.org/statistics

And max...if you think an Asian who can afford to spend 500 euros on a flight is 'poor'...maybe you need to travel there a bit more off the beaten track. Go to some of those ''3rd world villages'' and see how they really live.....

I spoke about poor Europeans and people from 3rd world countries. Only you have spoken about poor people from 3rd world countries (whatever is the definition of that). I was in Nepal 2 months ago. Rented a motorcycle and drove up the mountains. Ended up being invited to a wedding in a village northwest of Pokhara and had a blast (this was the wedding dance). No couchsurfing, just random people I met. I tried to pay for the food I ate at the wedding, and offered to buy drinks or something, but my offers were strongly rejected. I was a guest and it would be insulting, condescending, for a westerner to waltz in and pick up the tab. The people I met said they had never spoken to a foreigner before. Two of them are now my friends on facebook, so somehow they must have access to Internet. I have similar stories from Haiti, Iraq, China, etc. How come you seem so surprised at this Lucapal, and so averse to the idea of hospitality? Reading your posts on this branch, I thought you were a very experienced traveler. Do you mostly hang out with other westerners at backpacker hostels?

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