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Hi all,

I'm planning on travelling to backpack around Europe mid 2012 and then head over to South America to do the same...

I'm planning to go for about 10 months (6 in Europe, 4 in South America)

I've decided I want to see most importantly Germany, UK and Poland, then head over to the East.

I am not worried about my budget for South America, as my sister lives over there and I will always have a place to stay for free in Buenos Aires, although Columbia, Bolivia and Peru are on the go to list as well.

I plan to go with 20 - 25k, is it possible to do this on this budget?

Any other tips, and advice is welcome. As it is my first time travelling overseas, all information is greatly appreciated (:

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In Eastern Europe (depending where - most countries excluding Russia) would be about 30-40 euros a day. And you could survive on 1000 euros a month.

Western Europe is well over 50 euros especially for UK/Germany where transport costs are high.

S. America - well your looking at about 20-30 dollars a day.

Can you specify if what currency your budget is? USD? AUD? CAD? Euros? Pounds? Baht? be specific please.

I'm on the saving path for South America (looking at about 10-12 months there) and saving up 15,000 AUD or more. From my friends who've gone, they've all said for the most part you can get by on 1,000 a month. This is a rough guide. Brasil will be more expensive. And Argentina is not the cheap country it once was.

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Hi,

Sorry, I forgot about that.

20 - 25k AUD.

And yes Argentina / Brasil are by far the most expensive.

But my sister lives in Buenos Aires, so it will be cheap(ish) for me staying there, as I will not have to pay for accomodation. I am not as worried about my budgeting for SA than I am for Europe.

Is Russia similar pricings to Western Europe?
Can you suggest the best types of transport and travel?

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If six months in Europe you should understand the Schengen agreement, how it impacts and plan carefully.

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As what he said, Obviously you may have a british passport but if not you'r only allowed 90 days in schenhen countries. Have a quick search to find out where those places are (you are looking at most EU countries really but not all). So be careful. Head to the Balkans (Serbia/Croatia/Montenegro etc for non schengen zones that are cheaper.

Russia would have similar prices but you'd be looking at more towards Scandinavian prices. Probably more than western europe to be honest. Don't forget its a pain in the ass to get a visa as well.

Buses and trains will be the way to go. But head to seat61.com for the old 'rail pass vs point to point'. Trains are easiest in the Western European countries. But buses are usually cheapest and easiest in other parts of Europe. As trains can be slow and tiring.

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So basically I have 3 months to visit all those countries in the Schenhen agreement?
Or is there ways around it...Can I leave the Schenhen countries for a few weeks then come back to a fresh 90 days?
There are so many countries in the agreement is boggles my mind right now. I cant even figure out what ones I want to visit, aside from the ones I stated earlier.
Also I don't understand, is the UK apart of the same agreement? Or is it on the brink of becoming apart?
Also is it 90 days for EU countries as well? Or is it different for each one.
I heard it is a pain to get a visa for Russia. I am going to look into it alot, and might even do it on another trip if its too much fuss this time round.

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The only way around it is if you have a British Passport or a Passport from one of those countries. Or get a working visa for one of the Schengen Agreement countries.

You can go for a few weeks and then come back with a fresh 90 days. You only get a 'fresh' 90 days after 180 days after your first entry. Please do a search on it. It's been asked/discussed countless times.

The UK isn't part of the agreement. But if you have a UK passport than you don't have to stress over the agreement.

The EU countries are all basically apart of the Schengen Agreement.

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"So basically I have 3 months to visit all those countries in the Schenhen agreement?"

Not 'basically', absolutely.

"Or is there ways around it"

If there were, it would be known here on the TT. So NO, there is no way around it unless you have a passport from a member country.

"Can I leave the Schenhen countries for a few weeks then come back to a fresh 90 days?"

The short answer is NO. You are limited to 90 days in any 180 calendar day period.

"is the UK a part of the same agreement?"

No. Time in the UK is outside the Schengen and has no effect on your 90 in 180.

"Also is it 90 days for EU countries as well? Or is it different for each one."

It is 90 days for the Schengen member countries whether they are EU members or not. One has nothing to do with the other. You have the list, those are the countries it applies to.

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Although I found most members of the EU are also in the Schengen Agreement. Most, Not all though. Turkey and the Balkans might be a cheap bet to escape this zone for 3 months.

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Or you can just direct flight from Europe. Plenty of Airlines fly straight to South America from Europe.

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