Hey everyone,
I'm an 18yrold aussie, and i've been planning a 6 month trip around the uk, europe and down into morrocco. I plan to fly into london and move north including ireland. i was thinking about a month, maybe longer here. I have experience working in bars/restaurants so am thinking it will be easy to get work. Is cash in hand a feasable option instead of getting a working visa? when i fly into europe i plan to spend about 3-4 months in europe (obeying the schengen policy) but i was thinking if i finish my stint in europe in spain somewhere in my 80th days of being in schengen countries, could i then travel within spain (avoiding flying of course) without being picked up on overstaying my schengen visa. Is it only at airports that this is checked - or will hotels or anywhere else pick up on it? if i could then spend a month in spain would be great. although i wont be able to enter portugal, i will be able to head down into morrocco and then home again. Sorry to pester about the schengen rules but i couldnt find anything to do with this.
train your brians: always useful for later too: a WHV is jus that: allow you to work in some jobs, without it: very restricted time allowed to stay, VERY hard interview to think where you plan to live out on enter UK, and maybe given 14 days or so to stay. Tourists are, in this WHOLE world, never legally allowed to just work. and in EUR its generally even much harder as in Ozzieland to find ''under the table''black work, plus in most lands those <22 or even 26 attract far lower youngage wages.
before asking too much: do that homework and read the FAQ in top about Schengen and its rules. Ozieland is for us even stricter, so dont blame us.
It was just a query, no blame being pointed. As i'm only 18 i was hoping to avoid using up my WHV so i have the option of coming back and working there later in life - as i plan to only be working for a couple of weeks. I have a place to stay with relatives in london (permanent residence) as soon as i arrive if that helps. Is the pay for <22 so low that it wouldn't cover living costs? . Looking at sites such as gumtree, there seems to be plenty of work - but would these places be unlikely to employ someone without a WHV? I have read many threads about the schengen rules, yet none seemed to answer my question. I understand that you are not supposed to spend over 90 of 180 days in schengen countries, but if i enter spain within these 90 days and stay for say 3 weeks without flying within spain, then go to morrocco or london (or any non-schengen country) - would this breach of the rules be picked up anywhere?
Without a working visa you''ll only be able to work illegally. Apart from the question whether an employer will risk the fine when you're caught doing this, even if you get under the table work there is a chance that you will be exploited, get less than minimum wage paid for more working hours etc. etc.
As for the Schengen rule, I doubt that any hotel will care if you overstay your 90 days and technically chances of being caught for overstaying are low as long as you stay within Spain, but immigration will find out when you exit Spain to Morocco, as there will be some kind of registration of your date of entry in their computer.
Look swilson, the rules are simple and common sense doesn't end when you leave Australia.
Your first idea of finding work for a couple of weeks is ridiculous. You plan to spend a total of a month seeing the UK and Ireland. Where in that time will you have time to work? Or do you think you can see England in 3 days, Scotland in 2 and Ireland in 1, while at the same time asking for work in every pub you pass by? Use some common sense.
Not only would it have to be illegal work for which thousands of E. European EU citizens are lining up legally to do for less money, but you simply wouldn't have time to do it!
Re Schengen. The rule is simple. If you overstay you are in the country illegally. Do you understand what ILLEGAL means? There is NO RISK FREE way to overstay Schengen regardless of what anyone may tell you. If what you are looking for is someone to say, 'yeah, go for it', you'll find it here. You could probably also find someone to say, 'yeah, go for it' if you said you were planning to jump of a cliff with a homemade parachute.
You are 18, naive and inexperienced. If you were 35, well travelled and well aware of the risks involved in illegal work and overstaying Schengen, my advice would still be the same. STAY LEGAL.
No work and no overstay. End of story.
yes i am young and inexperienced in travelling. thats why i was asking questions. being young and inexperienced beats being old and bitter. but thanks for your time.
No, Wayworn wasn't being old and bitter. He/she is being realistic. You can't just turn up and look for work in the hope of starting the next day. Life isn't like that when you're travelling. It can easily take you a week in a strange town to find casual work.
I also agree with Wayworn's analysis of the kind of replies you're likely to get on here. You'll get those who say "Hey, I did it in 2004 - no worries, mate." Are you going to take their word for it? Are they going to be there to bail you out when you get caught? No, you'll be on your own. And then someone posts to say "No way, I got caught leaving France in 2005 and couldn't get back into the UK for my return flight home from London which I'd already paid for in advance". Which are you going to go with?
At best, you'll get two or three replies from people who've overstayed (if that). If you think that's a statistically significant number, so be it. But don't accuse people of being old and bitter because they tell you something that you didn't want to hear. If all you want is reassurance, TT isn't the place for you. Go down the pub and talk to your mates instead.
Swilson, if you've read ANY threads about Schengen then you do know the answer.
"I have read many threads about the schengen rules, yet none seemed to answer my question."
What you are really saying is you don't like the answer. As I said, if you want someone to say, 'yeah, go for it', you will find someone to say that for you. But they aren't the one who will be taking the risks. YOU will.
Rather than old and bitter, I think you might want to consider that I am old and experienced. Have you heard the saying, 'there are old soldiers and bold soldiers but there are no old, bold soldiers.' Think of me as an old soldier swilson. Been there, done that, know the answer.
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