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Read all about it from Reuters
>French Prime Minister Francois Fillon has ordered all regional and local governments to remove the title "Mademoiselle" -- used for unmarried women and implying a youthful immaturity -- from official documents.

From now on, people filling out government forms will get just two choices: Madame or Monsieur.

The change, signed in a memo to regional and local governments by Fillon this week, comes after lobbying from women's groups who argued that Mademoiselle is sexist. Its male equivalent -- Monsieur -- does not distinguish marital status.

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Dear nutrax, you just beat me to this article! Now what would we English speakers use instead of Ms. or Miss?

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Shona -- Ms is the equivalent in English. It was started in the 1970s to avoid the Mrs/Miss problem.

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bjd, yes I know that. I was asking what could be used as a general female title without resorting to Ms. or Miss.
As the French have done away with married and unmarried titles for women, just using Madam for all -- can we have a female version opposite Mr.? Mr. covers married and unmarried men, so it is only fair that women have one title too.
Are you suggesting that Ms. covers everything?

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Ms is generic, Shona. It covers everything.

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Well, not men.

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I have no problems with Ms. in the written form though it doesn't sound particularly pleasant. It seems to be missing a vowel though the alternatives: Mas, Mes, Mis, Mos or Mus, don't seem to offer much hope.

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In the US it's pronounced Miz, with the vowel of is or fizz.

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That sounds better - and let's hope that in 100 years it will sound totally normal.

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Ms is the equivalent in English. It was started in the 1970s to avoid the Mrs/Miss problem.

It's actually much older. It was a 17th C. abbreviation for "Mistress," that later fell into disuse. Mrs. and MIss are also from "Mistress," which was originally the feminine of "Master" and had no connotation of adultery. Both words were used for people of enough status to have control or authority over others in a household. Mistress was originally used for both married & unmarried women.

Someone unearthed a 1901 newspaper article proposing Ms. and even suggesting pronunciation.
>The abbreviation "Ms" is simple, it is easy to write, and the person concerned can translate it properly according to circumstances. For oral use it might be rendered as "Mizz," which would be a close parallel to the practice long universal in many bucolic regions, where a slurred Mis' does duty for Miss and Mrs alike. Source.

Before that, the earliest known American source was thought to be
>nearly half a century later, from 1949. In The Story of Language, Mario Pei wrote: "Feminists, who object to the distinction between Mrs. and Miss and its concomitant revelatory features, have often proposed that the two present-day titles be merged into a single one, 'Miss' (to be written 'Ms.')."

As early as 1952, the National Office Management. Association said "Use abbreviation Ms. for all women addressees. This modern style solves an age-old problem."


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