| mrnicky01:13 UTC22 Jun 2007 |
What does :
Permissum carni abyssi gradiare libre
Mean?
NIc
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| istvan01:50 UTC22 Jun 2007 | I would say, "Carnal favour comes along with hell".
Does that make any sense? Mind you, I don't know what libre means (I didn't translate that), and my Latin is more than a bit rusty. Maybe someone else has a better idea.
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| mrnicky02:13 UTC22 Jun 2007 | thank you
I got:-
"go and make as much trouble/hell as you like"
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| istvan03:50 UTC22 Jun 2007 | Well, perhaps my Latin is even worse than I might have imagined.
My Latin/German dictionary says abyssus means abyss or hell, in an ecclesiastical sense. I don't know if it can be used as in the expression "make trouble" or "raise hell". Gradior means stride, acompany, come along with. Permissum is Latin for permission or favour. I'm sorry that I can't tell you more than that. Where did you come across this phrase?
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| jantrao04:16 UTC22 Jun 2007 | Are you sure you got the Latin right? Permissum should probably be permissIum and libre is spelled liber (meaning free) in Latin. Are you sure this is Latin, could it be Italian? I only had two years of Latin and that's now ten years ago, so don't burn me down if I'm wrong.
If anything, #2, your translation does feel right and appears to fit the grammar as well.
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| istvan04:43 UTC22 Jun 2007 | #4, permissum is the PPP of permitto, it can also be used as a noun. Furthermore, I think that gradiare should be gradiari. I had six years of Latin, but honestly I can't make head or tail of this sentence. How would you translate carni (genitive of carno - flesh)?
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| jantrao05:04 UTC22 Jun 2007 | I guess "gradiare libre" could mean something like "to a free degree" (this is more a hunch than an actual translation) which would match OPs liberal translation "as much [...] as you like".
Permissum could be freely translated into "go and make" in the sense of "feel free to do so".
But that "carni abyssi" is indeed the real though one. My first instinct was to see it as the genetive of flesh, with abyssi as an adjective: of hellish flesh???
I can't figure it out and I clearly lost too much Latin to help out here. I will shut up now ;)
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| istvan05:17 UTC22 Jun 2007 | On second thought, carni is the dative of caro (caro, carnis, carni,... flesh) and I've checked a conjugation table and neither gradiare nor gradiari seem to exist. Mrnicky, if there is something I remember from my Latin class then it is the fact that Latin is a very exact language, so you might check all the suffixes again. Maybe some of the ThornTree regulars live in the Vatican; Latin is the official language there.
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| mrnicky05:33 UTC22 Jun 2007 |
Its was the response I got from a TT associate after I sent him:-
Solve lora infernis!
and he responded with :-
Permissum carni abyssi gradiare libre
My Latin is poor and I am out of my depth but always will to learn and listen. Thank you all for you help so far.
It may be that he got his Latin wrong?
He is in Holland and I am English living in Laos, so there could well be a misinterpretation across countries
Nic
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| mrnicky05:35 UTC22 Jun 2007 |
Its was the response I got from a TT associate after I sent him:-
Solve lora infernis!
and he responded with :-
Permissum carni abyssi gradiare libre
My Latin is poor and I am out of my depth but always will to learn and listen. Thank you all for you help so far.
It may be that he got his Latin wrong?
He is in Holland and I am English living in Laos, so there could well be a misinterpretation across countries
Nic
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| sweatytraveller01:33 UTC23 Jun 2007 | Permissum carni abyssi gradiare libre
Could it be - Permiss-i-um carni abyssi gradiare lib-e-r?
If so my interpretation would be something like 'Permissive carnality is the free passage to hell' - okay I know it sounds old-fashioned but my 12 years of Latin study ceased in the early 70's
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| nutraxfornerves04:10 UTC23 Jun 2007 | Permissum carni abyssi gradiare libre
Side show barkers are allowed to toss grade books into deep crevices.
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| mrnicky14:44 UTC23 Jun 2007 |
Thank you all for you help
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| agingaquarian15:10 UTC23 Jun 2007 | Long time since I studied latin. And I also question the on-line translation services which gave me:
"To allow executioner hell to conduct one's self scales".
Quite clearly total nonsense. Is it possible the original latin in misspelt or misquoted?
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| mrnicky22:13 UTC24 Jun 2007 |
My friend has confessed he doesn't know Latin.
He was trying to be smart and used a website to translate - hence the gibberish.
That you all again.
Nic
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| shilgia23:29 UTC24 Jun 2007 | And so we can turn this into a new game: What Did He Feed the Translator?
Hell, allow me to meat you so we can discuss this freely?
Meat is allowed in hell according to my gradebook?
May you burn in hell for making me look this up in a book?
(Since no one knows what gradiare is, we are free to insert whatever word seems fit, no?)
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