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Hey guys!

I am planning my first trip to South East Asia from mid-April to June/July and I’m gonna be flying into Bangkok, then making my way around to Laos, Vietnam and Cambodia.

I would like to start or end my trip in the Thai islands, so either go straight down to the islands after Bangkok, or go north to Chiang Mai and over to Laos, Vietnam and Cambodia, and then the islands. Thinking about the weather, I was wondering if anyone has any thoughts on which I should do first and last? I know it will be hot in April/May so maybe it would be best to go to the islands first, or I could go north where it will be cooler but then it might be rainy when I get back to the islands in June/July?

Any thoughts or suggestions are highly appreciated!

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Maybe there is a direct bus to Phayao - see Route 150 on this Green Bus website - http://www.greenbusthailand.com/website/en/services/bus/time-table#c4 - the 08:00 bus from Golden Triangle/Chiang Saen goes thru Mae Chan on way to C. Rai (maybe stops in Mae Chan around 09:00?) and continues on to Phayao. You s/b able to buy this ticket at any Green Bus office in Northern Thailand well in advance.

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There is no need to go Hualamphong, that train to Chiang Mai stops right outside of Don Muang airport, opposite side of the road.

If you have to go to Hualamphong, take A1 or A2 airport bus, get off at BTS Morchit/ MRT Chatuchak interchange station and take MRT (metro) all the way to Hualamphong.

No need to get on the BTS skytrain anywhere.
No need to change trains.

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Thanks for your replies!

What about activities like jungle hikes, temple or elephant sanctuary visiting tours in Chiang Mai, should I book these in advance? Or is there always room for one more?

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Very important you buy your ticket from where you board the train as if you do not get on in Bangkok they may sell your berth to someone else

No. You can buy your ticket at any station. It is quite OK to book a ticket at Hualamphong (for example), or any other station for that matter, from Ayutthaya to to Chiang Mai. Just state that you want to embark at Ayutthaya and this will be on your ticket

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hey,

thanks for the info - sounds like I'll be able to find some usable stuff there. I guess the choices will be more plentiful in the northern regions of Thailand (Chiang Mai etc) as this the main trekking area I suspect - the thing is that I will go south to north, so I need to buy that stuff in the south somewhere.

thanks again and have a good time!

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I now have an almost complete itinerary. Would you mind giving some comments/suggestions on how it might be improved, specifically on days 2+3?

Day 1. Arrive in Bangkok (07:00).
Day 2. Head to Kanchanaburi (morning). Head to Sangkhlaburi (afternoon). Stay overnight, or take an overnight bus to...
Day 3. Sukhothai.
Day 4, 5, 6. Chiang Mai.
Day 7, 8. Chiang Rai.
Day 9. Departure to Malaysia (from Chiang Rai).

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Since moving to Thailand, I have clocked up a fair mileage just over half a million kilometers.
That means that basically I’ve driven longer and further than most Thai people.

How do I know? - Simple.

I’ve had 3 4x4s since I’ve been here.
The first was secondhand and I covered 80,000 km in it the second and third were new and I covered nearly 250,000 km in each of them. They were all 4x4, the last one lifted and modified for long-distance touring.

I enjoy driving - whatever the country or road conditions - I even like traffic jams..._ I get to sing-along with my favorite tunes on the iPod or Google play.
I love being able to go “off-road” too. I am a member of the local Thai 4x4 club who do various runs into inaccessible areas for charity. The last I went on was flood relief to Surat and Nakon Si Tammarat.

My job involved driving around Thailand too and commuting about 100km per day when not travelling from company to company.

In reality I cover about 40,000 km per year - less than back in Europe but it does means that I have experienced just about every kind of road in every season through out Thailand. I’ve also driven extensively in Laos and a little bit in Malaysia.

In fact back in Australia and Europe my annual mileage was even higher as my jobs entailed even more travelling -
In Europe in one year I clocked up 90,000 MILES = 144840.96 kilometres.
Cairns to Melbourne in about 7000 round trip and I can’t remember how many times I did that trip.

Driving in Thailand can be very enjoyable - so long as you don’t expect everyone to drive like they do in your home country...the driving environment in Thailand is sadly undeveloped and even the best roads fall short on the most basic safety standards.
If you are going to drive here - make sure you are aware of the 5 Es of road safety before making any pronouncements about the drivers - who lets face it are probably far more experienced that most visitors in driving in Thailand.

It has been suggested that repeated trips from Trang to Chiang Mai are the sort of total of driving one can expect on a road trip....not so.

The truth is that most of my road trips are longer than that - I expect normally to cover about 3000 to 4000 km.
I can cover more than 1500 just 5 working commuting and business.

A good road trip for me - can be solo or with friends or sometimes passengers wanting to share all or part of the route. - They will chip in on expenses.
I don’t travel light; as I have a 1-ton truck, it will carry just about everything I need - including camping gear and a field kitchen for if and when required. I also have a bag of 4G sim cards for phones and table and sometimes even the Mac.
Up near the Chinese border the temperature was below 6 at night - it didn’t warm up until about midday - unlike many of the shivering tourists there I had warm coats and extra sleeping bags for the hotels which wanted to charge for an extra duvet.

The vehicle I use now has extra ground clearance, locking differentials AT wheels/tires, winch, compressor etc. etc....thankfully I’ve never made use of the breakdown kit but I’ve had to dig/winch out of mud occasionally - mostly pulling out other vehicles.
It is basically the same as the “tourers” that are used for camping in Australia and it’s taken me to places on Google that very few other vehicles could.......It also has taken me away from the very crowded foreign tourist areas - and as my Thai has improved over the years , I get to meet more and more Thai people through work and just meeting on tops of mountains or at waterfalls etc.

Another thing the truck has enabled me to do is get to know neighbouring Laos - with my “purple book” passport, I am able to pass into Laos with little or no bother - quicker than the foot passengers usually as I can use a different VoA window at many crossings. To make the most of Laos 4x4 is essential outside the towns and a few main roads.

Here are some examples of the sort of trips I like to get in

About 4000km
Chonburi
Kaeng Krachan,
Surat,
Krabi
Khao Sok,
Ranong,
Bangkok,
Udon Thani,
Vientiane,
Vang Vieng,
Luang Prabang
back down via
Udon to
Rayong and back to
Chonburi.

About 3500km -
Chonburi,
Surat,
Penang,
Surat,
Kanchanaburi
Chonburi.

About 3000 km
Chonburi,
Mae Wong,
Tak,
Ti Lo Su/Umphang,
Mae Sot
Loei
Pak Lay,
Saraburi,
Luang Prabang,
Vientiane,
Udon
Chonburi.

About 3000
Chonburi,
Udon,
Ban Chiang,
Vientiane
Luang Namtha,
Boten/china border,
Chiang Rai,
Mae Wong,
Huay Kha Khaeng,
Chonburi

..and I can tell you Google and OSM are very useful. - I’ve found some extraordinary stop-offs by using Google - and the contours overlay on OSM is great for judging the road ahead .

If you need to know anything about driving in Thailand or any planned road trips please let me know.

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Thanks, I know one day is not enough to see a city. Originally I had no intention of staying in Thailand more than one night on the way to Laos but I had to get a flight a day earlier than I intended hence the spare day. Will try Chiang Mai. If it appeals to me I can always come back another year.

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With a day only you wont be able to see much anyway. So just pick the one that appeals most to you and visit the 2-3 things that interest you most there. I would go for Chiang Mai, stay in the old town and visit 1-3 temples, enjoy a spa treatment, have some tasty food and if there "on a right day" a beer or two at one of the "walking streets / night markets".

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