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Guys and gals do you think its about time we stopped being bullied by the airlines and airports and demanded we be allowed take our bikes fully assembled on board the planes (and trains.)

The thing is while i don't know exactly how they are packed on a flight, and it looks like there are usually one one or two bikes per flight, I am sure it is not difficult and would save all of us such a great deal of angst and bother.

I understand that some of the issues for airlines are:

  1. handling the bikes without breakage eg putting htem on the luggage trailers.
  2. stacking them in the planes

But i think there is another option which would be easy for them too. Having seen the bike hooks used in french trains i think something like this would be good inside the plane. Also the racks used on the backs of cars is another option they could put on their traillers. Yes this is an extra cost but we could pay a nominal fee each which would cover the expense of their installation.

The thing is, i don't think the airlines and airports appreciate the difficulties for us that putting bikes in boxes creates. I just missed a connecting flight because the time allowed which is legal, was not enough for me to get my bike through all the customs and quarantine as i was slowed down by my bike and they people will not help you.

Also the difficulties of getting to and from airports with boxes. The boxes create extra expense and so much extra struggle as even when packed up its so much harder for us to manage all our gear.

Meanwhile its so easy for us to roll out assembled bikes into the airport fully loaded, unload, and vice versa when we collect that it seems like madness to me to not allow us to do it this way.

On my way through, i had a long overnihgt stopover in melbourne. I had to collect my checked luggage again and mind it overnight. There was only an expensive cloak room for leaving it (25$ overnight) so i had to hang on to it. But this meant i couldn't even go to teh loo at all as i couldn't take my box in. When i finally found the night manager of the airport and told him i couldn't even go to the loo, he saw the light and told me i could leave my box with him till the morning.

So how we all start emailing the airlines we use and the others and the airports to share our stories of and ask for a change.

If someone had web building skills or other it skills it would be great if someone launched a website to make it easier for cyclists to learn about this campaign and do the same thing. Is anyone up for that?

Cheers
Newie

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I think that it is reasonable for a cyclist wishing to travel with their bike on a plane prepare their bike for the flight.
It is not hard. I did it this morning in Launceston airport - it took me under 20 minutes. I did it last week and I'll do it twice the week after next. Always 15-20 min.
I suggest it is far easier for you to learn how to do it effectively then it would be for you to change the ways the world's airlines operate their baggage systems.

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We flew with several methods and prefer a bike. And it's a bit of work but not that much

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Noel the issue is not how to put a bike in a box. Its about dragging a big box around plus your other bags often for hours. I have generally not trouble getting my bike in a box or taking it out. Also as a bloke you may not even find that hard especially if you are travelling with someone else but as a shorter woman and always alone, its really not at all easy.

Every trip i've ever done has been an ordeal of lugging my bike in box around an airport or from airport to someone's house or from airport to hotel. or from hotel to airport. Not to mention the issue of getting a box and when to put the bike in it which can add a fair bit of extra expense and even though the box may come free like the time i had to take a taxi for an hour in mumbai to the shop to collect the box.

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Cyclingalong, what are you saying. What do you prefer a bike to exactly? What methods are you referring to?

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we prefer the bike box opposed to other methods i.e no packing or only a plastic sheet. Just because the box hasn't given any problems while the other methods have. We fold the box to carry it together with our bicycle panniers.

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I ride into airports, pack my bike, fly, put my bike together, and ride out. If I am coming back to that airport I stash my carton, otherwise I discard it. I don't carry my carton any distance.

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Noel when you ride into airports how did you get your box there with your fully loaded and assembled bike.

How do you avoid carrying a carton any distance? Do you stash it at the airport. How much does that cost? I know you only tour for two weeks. Would you stash a carton for two months?

Have you done this in Paris or Brisbane?

Cycling along the box i was given in Paris when folded to its smallest was longer than my bike and about two feet wide. It was a big box. I didn't have to take off my front wheel to fit the bike inside. I couldn't choose another box either. Do you think you could ride with that.

I can't even imagine how i could ride with a box of a more usual size. Unless i cut it up into pieces about 1x2 feet square perhaps then tied them all together with string and strapped it to the top of tent and sleeping bag or my back.

What troubles did you have with travelling with an assembled bike on the plane? I did it once and found it a real joy.

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Airlines and handlers hate bikes. They are awkward to handle and load. A campaign won't change that.
Many manage to pack their bikes.
I often pick up a bike box and fold it very small for carriage. About backpack size. Even backpack it when necessary. (As in I don't have a car so need carry it home from shop)
You could make one out of cardboard. Which is how they're originally made.
I normally box it for the 1st flight and plastic wrap, with protection, from then on. Never had bike damage. Normally takes about 15min to pack or assemble. Less when flight is ready to leave. Practice at home and you learn all you need do, quickly. Many strip their bike more than they need.
I near always ride to from airport.
If you are going to Japan you're sure to need a bike bag at some stage.
With getting older comes lazier. (And my current bike is more expensive and fragile) Instead of wrapping I've resorted to a bag. Lighter than a box. Only a little extra weight and bulk to carry. The only I'm familiar with is the Body bag which apparently suits mtb's ok. And the Tardis which I currently use, is easy to pack and carry. Though more time and hassle than just wrapping it. Comes even with shoulder carry strap. So far has proved good. (And which has caused you concern in the past, doubles as a pillow when camping)
There are sure to be other good bags (Try Wiggle) but these get the best reviews. Not as cheap as a box, but nor is bike damage. Pay for convenience. And they fit in a taxi whereas a box doesn't very well.
http://www.groundeffect.co.nz/products-BAG.htm
Be good if all in life was easy, and I'm sure cycling was never meant to be.

'What troubles did you have with travelling with an assembled bike on the plane?'
When I wrapped the bike I only dropped the saddle and removed the bars and taped them to the frame, turned peddles, tape front wheel to stop it going wobbly and attach string for carry handle (consideration). Nothing else. Not even disconnect cables. Up and running in minutes. How trouble is that? Even the luggage handlers didn't give me bad looks. (Though they do people who turn up with them unwrapped.

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I regularly purchase cartons at airports. I know in advance if I'll be able to do that by checking in various ways. If I am unable to purchase then I use other methods. It is not my preference but it worked many times.
http://www.viventebikes.com/main/page_travelling_travel_information_carton_free_packing.html

If I am coming back to the same airport, even if I can buy a carton there, I will try to stash it so as to give it another use.
http://www.viventebikes.com/main/page_travelling_travel_information_stashing_cartons_at_airports.html

I have a female friend who is 5'3" tall and she regularly does these things too so it is not just something for big men.

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