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Don't get me wrong, I'd love to visit Nepal and I'd love to trek in the Himalayas for a couple of weeks, I'm sure it would be amazing.. it's just that I would feel strange going back to that part of the world when my last trip was Tibet, and there's so much of the world left to see :)

It seems like India is doable with kids, less so than South Africa but more so than East Africa so I think we will continue with our Africa plans and hopefully we'll be brave enough to visit India and/or Nepal in a few years. I see so many parents end up at disney or a beach resort with a pool somewhere after they have kids, and I'm not knocking it, that's what makes kids happy and we all want to make our kids happy.. I just hope we can have our own little adventures with our kids. All I know is I'll never bring kids to Europe, in three months in western Europe, I don't think I ever saw a single happy child or parent. Kids were bored out of their minds, parents were broke :)

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"All I know is I'll never bring kids to Europe, in three months in western Europe, I don't think I ever saw a single happy child or parent. Kids were bored out of their minds, parents were broke :)"

You must have been looking at the wrong kids and parents then. We spent 5 months in Western Europe with our then 8 yr old as part of our year-long RTW and she loved Europe. Of course, we're lucky and she loves to read and enjoys museums and galleries. There are hundreds of ways to have your kids enjoy 'adult' activities - it just takes some imagination and a willingness to see what you can reasonably and enjoyably see. It also takes being willing to take the time to define your expectations and prepare your kids before your trip.

A lot of us as adults would be grumpy too if our travelling partners treated us the way parents often treat their children.

And Europe, while expensive, yes, doesn't have to break the bank. We stayed in self-catering apartments/houses and ate a number of meals at home (grocery shopping in different countries was something our daughter really enjoyed) and sought out free activities to balance the paid ones.

Of course, we also travelled through Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, China, Vietnam, Cambodia, India, Egypt, Jordan and Tunisia and she loved all of those too. And a huge part of her loving them all was that we read to her about places we were going to go, included her in making our plans, read stories and watched movies about the places we were going to go, etc.

With kids, a little preparation goes a long way.

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Well I live in India and - as I said - it is doable with young kids, but there are far easier destinations. India really is about parents and what they want, than what is the best holiday for young kids. This is just fine, but something to keep in mind. Probably the biggest issue is cleanliness - not to be underestimated in a country like India. My kids also haven't been really ill here (and the youngest has really dirty habits) but it doesn't mean the risk isn't serious. Having just been through a rabies scare I can also say some of the very real risks are very scary! (and our local government having been dumping dogs near the cities biggest tourist attraction - to give you an idea how such things may be handled!).

I also just want to add that you can keep up a fast pace with kids. Every family is different and two days in one place works for many people (we still travel like this) - although probably can't be done on really long trips. Provided the parents are relaxed travelling then most (?) kids should fit in and be comfortable.

I agree with #11 - it is entirely possible to get your kids interested in adult stuff as well. I actually like my kids interests alot so we try to fit holidays around that as well (like fossil hunting!). My kids are 3 and 6 now.

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You're getting some great advice here.

Just to clarify what's involved with traveling with children, there are some factors to consider. The idea is that this might help you long-term plan and see more clearly where you want to head now.

I often recommend doing a trip with a baby around 4-5 months old. It'll never be easier. They rarely crawl that young (one of mine did at 5 months) and they don't need baby food. They're not exploring their surroundings yet and are content to just stay with you. But at the same time, you probably don't want to go somewhere they medical care is not up to standard. Little babies can get sick and you may not want to give them endless vaccinations at that age. Don't discount developing countries! Often, their elite classes and expat communities benefit from state-of-the-art facilities, in places you wouldn't normally expect them.

Once a child hits 4-5 years old, they become a lot easier to travel with. They are old enough to absorb their experiences and can ask questions and learn from visiting new places. Their memories will be a bit "uneven" ("Remember that cool artwork on the sidewalk...??") but it sticks.

Another factor, which I think is important is how many and how far apart your children will be. I was an "older mom" so I couldn't sit around and space my kids apart more ideally. They are just over two years apart and with three of them, that is very limiting, as far as hotel rooms and physically getting them around when they were little. I did it, especially short trips but while possible, maybe not ideal. If we had stuck to two, we would have been a lot more mobile. People who have a big gap, four or more years, have a real advantage. The older one can visit the restroom, read a book and play computer games while the physical care is more concentrated on the younger one. By contrast, I was trying to potty train the oldest, while breastfeeding the baby and keeping the toddler out of the cupboards all at the same time. During that period, we stuck to AI's!

Some destinations could be visited with small children but they might have factors that still would put you off for reasons you can't obviously see. For example, car travel in a country that has dangerous road conditions, without any good public transport options. Or going somewhere that is politically unstable. Friends got stuck in Guatemala once because of rioting, not as tourists but when they were adopting their second child. They were soooo glad that they had left their older child back in the U.S. with family! Even if you're not in actual danger, an experience like that could be an adventure for an adult but a downright scary one for a young child. Also, the medical facilities cited above and what has been mentioned, crime.

When you hear about crime and terrorism problems, it's worth looking into it. Where is it occurring? Who is the target? Places like Israel will quickly close anywhere dodgy for tourists, who are rarely the targets of any terrorism. Places local Israelis frequent are more likely to be hit. Mexico is another good example. For a long time, the crime stayed in certain areas easily avoided by visitors. When the violence spread and that was no longer the case, people stopped going.

When you have children, you become very protective of them and judging what is and what is not a "threat" can be a really difficult subject to evaluate. You will meet really overprotective parents as well as really "cool" ones and what works for one, is completely unacceptable for another family.

The last criteria is less a factor but cost. It will be more expensive but don't make this the deal breaker. If the flight is really long, or the best season is very short, you might want to pick that place. Unless you plan to homeschool, you'll find that later on, even when your children can travel well, you'll be locked into school breaks, which can be amongst the most expensive times to go anywhere. This kills me! All those great travel bargains and all the great places to see in the fall!!! Where do you want to go, ideally visited during term time?

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Maybe think in terms of places that would be prohibitively expensive with kids (bearing in mind that once they hit 2yo, you tend to get slugged with adult price airfares etc). I think LP had an article a while back on places that are better to go to before you have kids. Lots of people responded with their own suggestions. Personally I regret not seeing more of Europe before having kids. We will still go but are waiting until the kids are old enough to really appreciate it and until we can afford to do this with four people rather than two. OUr post kid trips have tended to be to cheaper places like SE Asia and within Australia (where we live).

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very very good point by #14. it's the reason that we have only limited ourselves to SEA and India for this trip--europe would have been too expensive in terms of tickets as well as accommodation and expenses (sure you can do it cheap if you self cater, camp, etc). luckily air travel is getting cheaper thanks to budget airlines like AirAsia!

on those lines, i would also focus on destinations which would have limitations if you had kids in tow, especially young ones. for example, we thought about going to nepal this trip, but think that the kids are too young to do a reasonable trek, so that defeats a lot of the purpose of going, along with the expense and trouble to get there. also, if your interests are for museums, galleries, etc IN DETAIL, then those would also be best left to adults. sure, some kids enjoy them, but many don't either or else in moderation. when we travel, we try to balance our time between 'our interests' like temples, museums, and 'kids stuff' like playgrounds, amusement parks, zoos, etc. it works. traveling with kids gives you a different perspective on a destination too, given that we are seeking out kids activities which might normally be overlooked if you weren't travelling with them. we recently spent 5 days in a place (Kodaikanal) just so that the kids could rent bicycles and ride around the lake daily--an activity that they miss while traveling (riding bikes). without kids, most people probably wouldn't have stayed there that long!

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thanks for all the advice!

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