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Hi everyone;

I am taking my Wife, 2 Kids ( by then 10 and 7 year olds) and my Parents on the once in a life time trip (for us) to Europe.

Myself and my wife have been twice before but the Kids and my Mum and Dad have not.

We are planning for a September holiday but are open to suggestions for other times of the Year.

We hope to travel by Car, and are looking for about 4-5 weeks in total.

My folks want to see London, then its over to France (Paris and Euro Disney for the kids), from here I need a good iteninary that is good by car, doesnt have to be every country just a good trip that has something for everyone. (rome/Vatican also needs to be included)

Very interested in everyones thoughts as I need to put a plan in place quickly!

Thank you.

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big continent, Europe. Without knowing your interests or budget this is impossible to answer. Sorry.

you need to get hold of some books, do some reading and research, work out distances and times and then go from there. Specific questions can be answered.

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With 4-5 weeks and road travel, you could pick 3 countries (in your case England, France, and Italy) and stick with those.

Just getting from Paris to Rome will take a long time, and you will want to only a couple of hours on the road each day (say from 8am - 11am), with every 3rd day as a non-travel day.

As neverwinter says, jumping back in with some idea of everyone's interests will be really helpful.

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I'd say "on route" from Paris to Rome, Venice is a must see, for both kids and adults ;)

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September is a good time to travel. Most European schools go back at the start of the month, freeing up all the hotels, resorts, theme parks, etc.

This is how I suggest it; Fly into London. See that. Take the Eurostar to Paris. Visit Paris and only THEN rent the car.

First, you'll save on the rental time. You really don't want a car, let alone need one, in London or Paris. I lived in both cities car-free so trust me on that. I've also taken much younger kids to both cities alone without a car and it was the best plan.

I would recommend taking a trip through any other part of Europe that's reasonable to see (i.e. Czech Republic, Switzerland, Austria, etc.) and ending up in Rome. Give up the car when you arrive and plan to fly back up to London. Yes, it's probably smarter for your budget. I think Ryanair does Rome-London from alternate airports. Ciampino Airport is right near the center of Rome so more convenient than DiVinci. You would fly into Standstead which is quite far from London but there are frequent, direct trains so it's not a problem. You can't really go between Standstead and Heathrow and never mix reservations on the same day anyway. Plan to stay at least one night on the way back.

Last summer we drove from where we live in Eastern France, down to the Amalfi Coast. We stayed in Ravello, which was amazing. I highly recommend it.

I also agree that kids love Venice with the canals. Florence was a different story. Boring museums, lots of walking, not kid-friendly at all. You might want to organize your visit (I'm not saying don't go!) with this in mind. One parent do something with the kids while the other take the grandparents to a few museums?? Rome was a winner.

If you go to the Naples region, which I recommend, you probably don't want to stay in Naples itself. Don't stay on the Amalfi Coast and expect to see Pompeii. My mistake! If you want to go to Pompeii, stay in Saleno or somewhere else close by. Yes, on the map, it looks close but it turns out it was nothing but terribly winding roads down there. Two of mine are very carsick-prone. My Greek-mythology craving son was very disappointed but it just wasn't do-able. Stay two nights right there. The ruins are very tiring and it will take up a day. Then head up to Amalfi and relax.

I also want to talk about Disneyland. I'm from California, have been to the parks in Florida too, and we took our kids once to Disneyland Paris. We've avoided it since. Thank goodness they didn't ask! Honestly, if you can, or have been to the other parks, skip this one. It'll be a waste of time.

There are a few theme parks, that will still be open in September, that you may want to read up on. We take our kids to Europark, which is much less busy and more fun for them. Less waiting in line. It's European country-themed so you "go to" Spain, Greece, etc. Educational! It's in Rust, Germany, near the French border. Look into other theme parks, perhaps ones that you can't find where you live.

Not to make you paranoid but make sure everyone in your party is aware of pickpocketing and their tricks. Stopping to see street performers is great but be aware. You will be targets because of how many of you there are. The passports must be kept in a hotel safe and don't take them out unless you are traveling. That's the real prize! Precautions like only one of you take a credit card when going out, not carrying large amounts of cash at a time and being sure valuables are tucked away somewhere safe.

My husband's credit card was used to the tune of 10,000 Euros while we were in Ravello. Obviously, he wasn't stuck with the bill (they didn't have the three digit code on the back so he was covered) but the card was in a safe the whole time. We still don't know how the number was extracted. Perhaps talk with your bank. My husband now has a security code that is sent to him via SMS every time a big purchase is made, to be sure he's the one using the card. Maybe set something like that up before, so you don't get stuck like he was! You'll probably be talking to your bank anyway, about which machines are best to take out money and what to do with lost/stolen credit cards.

When you calculate costs, be sure not only to factor in gas but road tolls. They're really steep in some places. One of the reasons why I recommend the car after leaving Paris!

Have fun planning!

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How exciting. I'm in Ireland and have been to a few places in our travels.

Germany----An alternative to Euro Disney is Europa Park [http://www.europapark.de/lang-en/Home/c1174.html?langchange=true] My brother has been and said it was really good. En route you could take in Freiburg, Germany. A beautiful city surrounded by by beatiful counrtyside. For the teens and the mentally young adults you can go downhill scootering [http://rollerstrecke.de/] My husband did this and although we're more into nature walks and hiking..he still lights up when it's mentioned. For the less adventourous you can catch the cable car to the top..have luch, go for a walk along the high plateauxs or walk back down the hill, or catch the cable car down. We have been to Baden Baden about 8 times to an exceptional spa. It's has thermals waters, magnificant roman building and is very cheap. It's sheer luxury at only 30ish euro for 3.5hrs. [http://www.baden-baden.de/en/spahealthbeauty/c/content/content/00575/indexen.html&nav=362] It is nudist and adults only, so leave your modesty and shyness at reception. It's totally seen as normal in germany and the staff are very professional. But if it's not your thing, next door is another spa complex that is non nudist. There'a also the Rhine valley, Known for it's Castles.

France has very high motorway tolls, so beware. it's great for getting a big distance out of the way, but not something you want to spend too much time on. I haven't seen much of it, just the northern section.

Croatia was lovely for us too. you could go by ferry from italy and tour the Islands off croatia, see the town of split, and drive north.

Depending on time/money.. rather than driving everywhere, you could use cheap airlines eg ryanair to fly to certain cities for short breaks. I'd recommend the smallest car you can all fit in. Motorways will be fine,but you'll find secondary roads very narrow, parking, towns and villages are narrow. Make life easy and less stressful for you,small car and look at getting a roofbox or something for luggage.
September is a good pick,it's shoulder season, everywhere will be open but kids are back in school. Temps in most places till good. Other option is May to early June.

Just thinking, you could just fly to Rome from london, with ryanair, easyjet, or such cheap airlines..If you don't want to travel the kilometers by road. Then concentrate your drving trip around, England, to north France via tunnel,then into Austria, Germany, Netherlands and get another ferry from the Netherlands back to North england and drive down through England/Wales.

have a lovely time.

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I'd go from Paris via Alsace (the german France or french Germany?) to Europapark, see the Black Forest, then via Switzerland (Lake of Lucerne!!!) and Ticino (italian part of Switzerland) to Tuscany towards Rome.
Maybe you'll want to add either the island of Sardegna (italian) or Corse (french) by ferry and then continue via southern France (Provence) and maybe the Pyrenees along the Atlantic to the north. Then you can take the tunnel towards UK (but honestly, I'd skip that big, expensive city... and better make another turn from Switzerland via Austria to Slovenia and enjoy the mountains on the road and there!!! From Slovenia you can go to Rome via Venice and then slowly back to Paris through southern France).
Happy travels!!!

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Thanks everyone so much, its a great help to me.

We are also on a budget, we were looking at accor hotels (like mecure, ibis) unless anyone has any better ideas that are more value for money. 2 rooms 3 in each (1 child in each).

thanks again.

jonty

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We often stay in Novotels. Ibis and mecure are find but often in out-of-the-way locations so look it up on a map before you book.

You can also find some very nice hostels. I know you're not backpackers but I've done it with my kids and it works great. There are often rooms with private baths.

Small Mom & Pop Inns are often good value in good locations. More genuine and personal than chain hotels too.

Look into "Gites de France" in France and Zimmerfrei's in German speaking areas.
http://www.gites-de-france.com/

I'm looking into this for an upcoming trip but my sister does Vrbo all the time. Vacation Rentals By Owner;
http://www.vrbo.com/

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