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Arrive LHR 9/20 at 2pm; Depart LHR 10/16 10am
End of trip have to spend 4 days in Mallorca Spain, 10/13-10/16 for wedding, fly home 10/16
That leaves 22 days for the rest of the trip
London (8 days - set dates, can’t change) > France/Paris (9 days - flexible) > Italy (9 days - flexible)

Questions?
How’s our itinerary look? Too long in Paris, more time in Italy?
Should we bring our big technical backpacks or rolling suitcases?
Should we buy transit passes in each city?
We want laundry 2x, so about once every 9 days. Laundry service easy to find?
Getting european data sims for the trip

About us
Haven’t been to Europe since I was a kid. Wife’s first time
Husband and wife. Mid 30s. We tend to walk a lot and explore places during travel, walking cities, outdoorsy hiking lands or swimming holes if special parks. Enjoy history and cultural experiences.
hit the touristy things as long as they are higher quality than a Costa Rica volcano town (been there, done that in costa rica). Like museums.
We are hikers and wilderness backpack in california. We like to bike if biking is nice.
Enjoying different local cuisines. Don’t mind fancy restaurant as long as it’s not filled with 70% non locals.
see locals going to and from work. Watching locals work. I like historical experiences, but not a huge fan of going out of the way to see a simple site eg stonehedge
Don’t mind paying for guides. Our best experience so far was 3 days for a guided rainforest corcovado national park in costa rica.

Willing to do special experiences, even if they come with some headache / work.
We don’t use social media or social media pictures
Not a huge fan of water or beaches if all we’re doing is for pictures. If we can do something like cliff jump or swim; that’s different.
No fancy hotels, we spend 12 hours a day out and about anyway; our budget will go towards experiences and food.
Limited more by time than cost.
Do not like spending time in lines, will try to avoid by going early/late hours, paying for special pass tours, etc. (Italy worries us for this reason) any ideas how to get around?
Detailed itinerary
London (9/20 - 9/27, set dates)
9/20 Arrive LHR at 2pm. Travel to Windsor, stay overnight
9/21 Windsor Castle; shuttle to Hampton Court Palace in afternoon. Head to London.
9/22 - 9/26 London. Will probably buy a 5-day London Pass. Doing a guided walking tour first day, Buckingham Palace, V&A, British Museum, Churchill War Rooms, Westminster Abbey, Shakespeare’s Globe, Houses of Parliament, St. Paul’s Cathedral, etc. Not interested in making the trip out to Stonehenge.
9/26 Hever Castle in the afternoon; overnight stay.
9/27 Fly from London (LGW) to Paris (CDG)
France (9/27 to 10/5 tentatively)
9/27 - ?? Paris. Louvre, etc.
Versailles
Normandy? Mont St Michel?
10/5 Fly from Paris (CDG) to Venice
Italy (10/5 - 10/13, tentatively). 2 or 3 cities? We need to fly out of Naples, so I think Rome will be one of them. Fly in to Venice from Paris?
Or skip venice and just do Rome, Naples and pompei?
10/5-10/7 Venice
10/7-10/13 ??
10/13 Fly Naples to Mallorca (PMI)
Mallorca (10/13 - 10/15, set dates)
10/13 - 10/15 attending wedding celebrations
10/15 Fly to London (LGW). Stay overnight near LHR.
10/16 Fly from LHR back to States

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Arrive LHR 9/20 at 2pm; Depart LHR 10/16 10am

Welcome to the forum. Do you mean tomorrow or a year from tomorrow?


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Assuming next year -
Looks ok to me if that' s what floats your boat - steady pace not too rushed. I might have suggested in London spending a few nights out of the city rather than day trips, but whatever suits you. Others know France better than me so wait for their comments. In Italy, at least 2 nights in Venice, 3 in Rome, but 4 would be better, and assuming an early morning train Rome -Naples so you have at least half a day in the city, you could get away with 2 nights with a tiring day trip to Pompei (30 minutes on the local train from central Naples) in between, though you could pass your half day in Naples just in the Archaeological museum and miss the attractions in the city which would be a great shame - just hope for a nice sunset when you walk along the via Partenope round the bay.

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How’s our itinerary look? Too long in Paris, more time in Italy?

It's fine. You could spend months in Italy, of course.

Should we bring our big technical backpacks or rolling suitcases?

Whatever suits your needs. It doesn't matter much.

Should we buy transit passes in each city?

Only if you think you're going to get your money's worth. You will have to do the comparisons when you know what your itinerary looks ike.

We want laundry 2x, so about once every 9 days. Laundry service easy to find?

Yes.

Normandy? Mont St Michel?

That's a long day trip from Paris.

Italy (10/5 - 10/13, tentatively). 2 or 3 cities?

For eight nights, no more than two. Your itinerary is already pretty busy, and all of your Italian city options have more than enough to do.

We need to fly out of Naples, so I think Rome will be one of them. Fly in to Venice from Paris?

Not if you're not staying in Venice.

Or skip venice and just do Rome, Naples and pompei?

Yep.

10/5-10/7 Venice

Nowhere near enough time.

10/15 Fly to London (LGW). Stay overnight near LHR.

A day wasted travelling, but I don't know if there's anything you can do about it.

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London (8 days - set dates, can’t change)

I remain a bit concerned it's actually this year ... it's very rare for a booking more than a year out to be that un-changeable.


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If it's next year, and I sure hope it is, buy open-jaw tickets so you don't have to backtrack.

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To be fair, it's 2:30 am in California - so it might take a few hours for our intrepid OP to respond ... and I really do trust the trip is in 2020.


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sorry, busy prepping for the trip. We're at the airport now reviewing this post. board in 15min. Thanks for the responses.

We've booked our London stays, so that's pretty firm. We are spending 2 nights outside London, on of them in Hever castle. Hope that's going to be cool.

We haven't booked the paris > italy flight yet and haven't planned what to do in Paris. It seems like we should just stick to Paris.

Would you leave Paris a few days early to get more time in Italy?

if we do keep it to 9 days in Italy, we'll follow your suggestions on two major cities max. which ones though is the question. VEnice, Florence, Rome, Naples

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I would reduce Paris by two nights (to five), fly to Venice for say four nights, then a train to Rome (five nights), then train to Naples for two nights - seeing Pompeii on your full day there - it's just a commuter train and not very far away.

Or possibly three nights each for Venice and Naples.

In Paris we enjoyed excursions to:

  • Versailles Palace (of course)
  • Chartres Cathedral
  • Château de Fontainebleau
  • Provins (beautiful mediaeval town)

None of these is a huge trip from the city; much closer than Normandy and Le Mont-Saint-Michel. Paris is an interesting city, but five nights gets you a pretty good percentage of what seven nights would.


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