Last time I was in Amsterdam,I avoided coffeehouses and bought my supplies where the locals did.These were small shops that sold only what you wanted and there was a list on the wall of the varieties available.Cheaper than the coffeehouses that mark up the prices and also sell a lot of beer to go with the smoke.Mushrooms are also for sale in the headshops.Howcome nobody mentions them?I love Amsterdam,walking about the city for 6 or seven miles each evening and visiting the museums plus strolling the sidestreets and canals,marveling at the architechture of the old buildings.We have nothing that old in the U.S.The biggest problem seemed not to be the pot smokers,but the hit and run thieves near Dam Square that I was warned about by waiters at the local sidewalk cafes.They seemed concerned that I was setting my CD player on my open table top while I was having a cup of coffee.
I would be harming no other person.
No, you might not be harming anyone in the immeditae vicinity. However, you need to look a bit further than the end of your nose. How about the 30 thousand killed in Mexico so far in drugs-related violence, most of it being marihuana? Or did you think it was all being grown in a shed at the back of the shop?
No. Let’s make one thing clear. The consumption of drugs hasn’t caused these deaths, rather the Mexican government’s violent reaction to it. No one who smokes weed gives any government, directly or indirectly, the right to take such militant action. That notion is insane.
A fact and so a part of the total problem in NL: Burgomaster/mayor of Helmond (near Eindhoven) has gone underground due to drugs violations and threats, I'm not sure but I think it were five people who have been killed (murdererd?) in drugs related fights/attacks this year only in the Eindhoven area. Hence the quickened weed pass discussion encouraged by the new right wing government with a much stricter approach of law-and-order.
The consumption of drugs hasn’t caused these deaths, rather the Mexican government’s violent reaction to it.
You can belive or disbelieve whatever you like, travtips. However, the majority of those 30,000 deaths have been caused by inter-gang warfare, not government action. Unfortunately, many of those deaths involved people who were completely innocent of any involvement in the drugs trade whatsoever. They happened to come from the wrong village or were in the wrong place at the wrong time. The deaths were especially gruesome in many cases.
If the demand for the drug wasn´t there, there wouldn´t have been those 30,000 deaths. It´s as simple as that.
I don´t care how people choose to spend their spare time so long as it doesn´t harm others. However, any dope consumer who buys from a previously unknown supplier has to face up to the fact that s/he may well be unwittingly contributing to a squalid multimillion dollar business. That is where I draw the line.
You can disbelieve what you want,Tony.but please stop crying like a little girl.Relating what's going on in Mexico to the Netherlands is ridiculous.Since pot is legal in the Netherlands,I doubt if the Mexican drug cartels have much of anything to do with people smoking it in coffeeshops.Here's another little fact for you,Tony the Tolerant.Small amounts of drugs of all types,yes even heroin and cocaine are now legal in Mexico.This is a new and to some people unknown fact.I doubt if a person with a closed mind would want to believe this but just go to "drug laws in Mexico" on a search engine and you will recieve confirmation.Mexico knows that prohibition brings crime,simply by the creation of a black market and the resultant enormous amounts of money generated.Alcohol was illegal in the U.S.A.in the 1920's and early 1930's in the U.S. and people were being murdered everywhere.The alcohol gangs were rich and powerful and had great influence on corrupt politicians and law enforcement.When prohibition was repealed and freedom was returned to the people,the killings stopped and today nobody is beeing killed over alcohol illegality.Simple logic,Tony.It's excitable,illogical,propaganda accepting people like you,who can't mind their own business,but would prefer to dictate lifestyles for other people that continue the myth.By the way,I'm all for "intergang deaths",it cleans up the world.The unfortunate thing is that there are always going to be plenty of replacement gangsters,wanting to make a try for the vast wealth that illegal drugs generate.It's really too bad that innocent people are caught in the crossfire,but if there hadn't been a black market,these people would still be alive today.Also Tony,what about the mushrooms that Manwithavan mentioned?And remember Tony,it isn't just a demand for drugs that caused those 30,000 deaths and it's not "just as simple as that".It's the fact that those drugs have been declared illegal coupled with the demand that created the situation.Mexico is making a change and soon the change will spread.
chuckybaby, I don´t know who you are and, frankly, I don´t care. If you want to believe that all the dope in Europe has come from sources other than Mexico, fine. I don´t have the proof that it came from Mexico and you don´t have proof that it didn´t.
However, you have chosen to abuse me personally and put words into my mouth that I have never uttered. For those reasons, and those reasons alone, I am going to ignore you from now on.
However, any dope consumer who buys from a previously unknown supplier has to face up to the fact that s/he may well be unwittingly contributing to a squalid multimillion dollar business. That is where I draw the line.
That´s ridiculous! First of all you can grow your own plants which is usually the best option. But unfortunately, still in many countries ilegal and you can go to jail. Second, if you buy pot from somebody you don´t know, you can make a connection if you want Tony, but the same way you can accuse everybody buying different things (legal ones) of a lot of different cruelities. Like for example financing wars and killing a lot of innocent people, drinking Coca Cola and in some countries the plants of Coca Cola are runing local farmer cominties, buying things made of wood deforesting the Amazon and so on.
At first place, if there is a such a viiolence in Mexico , it is because some powerfuel and rich people are earning a lot of money. Just legalize the dope and at least you won´t have that problem.
First of all you can grow your own plants which is usually the best option.
Nahuel, so where did I disgree with that? Answer: nowhere.
the same way you can accuse everybody buying different things (legal ones) of a lot of different cruelities.
Yes, I could nahuel, and that´s true. However, I chose to focus on one particular aspect of human behaviour. What´s wrong with my analysis?
From my original post:
all Dutch residents who live in the Netherlands and have kept abreast of the dope-in-coffee-shops debate
Nahuel, do you fall into this category? According to your profile, no.
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