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So, I'm going to Athens in about 3 weeks, and it has just occurred to me that I can actually go visit some of the sites of my family's pre-war history in the area. After the Armenian genocide in Turkey, my family settled as refugees in Kokkinia, outside of Athens. My great-grandfather had a role - I'm not exactly sure what but I think he was the principal of church educational classes - in the Armenian Evangelical Church there (I'm not religious but that hardly matters for my purposes) before they left as WWII was breaking out.

I found the church and can drop by, but it occurred to me that it might be nice to a.) see any photos from that time, if they have any and are willing to take the time to find them and show me, and b.) see if anyone there knows anything about where the refugee camp was in those years, and the meadow above it. If anyone would know, they would.

The problem: I'm in Taiwan right now and don't speak Greek, and the church has no e-mail address listed (I suppose I could write a physical letter, and will do so if this doesn't work, but it would be in English).

If anyone here knows how I might have some method for getting in touch with them, or - and I know this is nuts - be willing to phone them to just ask considering I have no idea if anyone there speaks English and my foreign language skills do not extend to Greek (all I'd need is the contact info, preferably email as I'm so far away, of someone there who can communicate in English) - it would be a huge help to me in tracking down the physical trail of my family history.

Thank you for any help you might be able to provide!

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I looked up the church you mentioned:

Armenian Evangelic Church
Αρμενική Ευαγγελική Εκκλησία / Armeniki Evaggeliki Ekklisia

They still exist. The address is:
Lamias 30, Pireas 185 42, Greece

Phone +30 1 4913603 (01 4913603 if calling from from within Greece)
Fax: +30 1 4907867 (again, area code is 01 if faxing from within Greece)

I could not find an email address either.

This whole area must have at one time been an Armenian neighborhood, because Google Maps shows another Armenian church, St Jacob's Armenian Orthodox Church, right around the corner. Greece has a sizable community of Armenian descent, so these folks probably keep these churches alive. Piraeus back in the day though, was not as developed and densely populated as it is now, so expect that neighborhood to be a mixture of 60s/70s/80s/90s/00s building stock.

Buses serve the area well. The nearest bus stop to the church is Armeniki Ekklisia ("Armenian Church") served by buses 827 and 909. Several other bus stops are nearby, Google Maps identifies them, as well as which buses serve them. The nearest rail transit stop is Renti(s) of the Proastiakós system (suburban/regional rail), served by 3 lines: P1 Piraeus-Chalkida line, P3 Renti-Ano Liosia line, and P11 Renti-Tithorea line. From this station, it's a 17 minute walk (according to Google) to the church.

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channa -- I know that Lonely Planet is a Fount of information, but GOOGLE, we must confess, does LP one better. I just now googled "Armenian Church Athens" (it's that simple!) and up came a whole raft of links, including the Bishop, and the addresses AND e-mails of a dozen churches there & around Greece.

http://armenianorthodoxchurch.org/old-archives/x02/doc/GREECE.htm
I suggest you write a simply worded e-mail (short declarative sentences, no fancy dependent clauses) to the office of the Bishop. State what you are searching for. Say you speak no Greek or Armenian. (do NOT mention your lack of religious upbringing).Tell them the EXACT dates you will be in Athens. Ask if there is someplace you could come, by appointment, to talk with an english-speaking person and perhaps see any records from that Pre WW-II period. Do emphasize how soon your trip is. Good luck!

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skyduster - thanks, the bus routes in particular are quite useful!

travelerjan - oh, I'm not looking for the church. I found the church, and it's NOT the Armenian Orthodox Church, it's the Armenian Evangelical Church, and as you can see if you google that, there is no email address. No bishops or whatnot from the Orthodox church are likely to be able to help me. I need someone from the Evangelical church, which leads me back to my original problem - only a phone number is listed, and I don't speak Greek or Armenian!

The other churches are not useful to me, I only need to be able to contact the one in Kokkina, but am not sure I can if I don't have help from a Greek (or Armenian) speaker.

What I want their help with is finding the location of the missionary school where my great grandfather proposed to my great grandmother with a bouquet of violets (the actual school is likely gone now), and perhaps - perhaps - the location of the meadow (which is likely not a meadow anymore) above the old Armenian settlement where he likely would have picked them.

He worked for the Evangelical church, not the Orthodox one, so that's the one I need to talk to, but yet again, I don't speak Armenian or Greek and no email address is given.

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And I should mention I did have a religious upbringing. My family is quite Christian. I happen to not be, because I never bought into it, but have no intention of mentioning that.

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Perhaps the Orthodox church would be kind enough to give you a contact to the Evangelical church ... they are not the same exact faith community, but surely they are not Enemies... and the Orth should be sympathetic to any descendant of the turkish massacre. Cannot hurt to be in touch with SOME Armenian Greek who has an e-mail! This may require a linkage.. so start with one e-mail it may lead to another etc.

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Wellllll....while both would be sympathetic to a descendant of genocide survivors, there's a bit of a rivalry or maybe somewhat uneasy co-existence between the "protestant" Armenians (evangelicals, presbyterians) and the Armenian Orthodox Church. So it's actually fairly doubtful that they have ties.

I have a friend trying to source me someone who speaks Greek now, so if that doesn't pan out maybe I'll try.

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I should have thought that, if you go there, you can ask whoever is in the church or nearby (if it is locked at the time), to help. As soon as they realise you don't speak Greek and they wish to help, they will find an English speaker locally (lots of Athenians speak English and most of the schoolchildren will have learned it, with varying degrees of success, at school). I'd just chance it if your friend can't find anyone to help you in the meantime. I've been to Greece loads of times and it is only in the more unvisited rural villages that it really is impossible to find anyone at all who speaks some English.

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A very sweet voice answered the phone (+302104913603), he knew about the school and the meadow all right, he said an e-mail would be fine as he speaks English and gave me following address: armenian.evang.gr@icloud.com. (I sincerely hope I got it right, otherwise you'll have to ring him - there's a mobile number listed, too: +306977234297.)
Good luck!
A block or so away is the Orthodox Armenian church (also Lamias str.)
Alternatively there's an Armenian Youth Federation in Greece (ayf@compulink.gr). I'm sure you'll have no language problems contacting them.

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And the official name of the neighbourhood is now Nikaia (pron. Nikea) although everybody will understand Kokkinia.

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