Is there somewhere like Johnnie Foxes that is not up the mountain?

Oliver St John Gogarty's not bad,shame it's in Temple Bar though.

Try The Brazen Head. Oldest pub in Ireland

Yeah Oliver St John Gogarty is bit too full on, does Brazen head do good food

if you are into music - go to o'donohues in baggot st for music and a restaurant around baggot st for food, the likes of oliver st john gogarty are v touristy

The Purty Kitchen in Monkstown, a 20-minute DART ride south of the centre does good food and live music and it is a nice pub with mainly locals visiting. It's not always traditional though so you should check the schedule. Says on their website that they do a trad. session every Tuesday.

http://www.purtykitchen.com/dunlaoghaire/index.html

They also have a branch in town.

I also found this: http://www.discoverdublin.ie/musicalpubcrawl.html but have no idea what it's like. If you want to avoid the tourists you could just check which pubs they go to. Might be a good laugh, though!

ok might try purty kitchen, I have to bring out an American friend and her French husband, so a good food place would be good, Johnnie Fox food is top notch but its just a bit out of the way

Another good pub for food and beer is the Porterhouse which is on Parliament St by the river just off the main Temple Bar drag. They are a microbrewery so if there's no music playing you could instead distract yourselves with the interesting and wide-ranging selection of beers.

rang purty kitchen they dont do live trad music anymore during the week, its for american friend and her french husband, who want Irish music with food, maybe ill just nice resto and then music, or else just go tacky templebar