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I want to rent a car for four days, picking it up and returning it at the same airport. Sounds reasonable? That's what I thought. I read the following conditions about the documentation I'm required to have:

A valid photo ID (Passport or National ID). FINE!

For this rental you will also need two forms of proof of address that is the same as on your driver's license: Mmm. NOT QUITE SO FINE. I left that address 37 years ago. Should I have kept the UK livence authorities updated about every one of my 30 or 40 address changes during those years, around the world, and my "no fixed abode" periods, and received back from them a suitably updated document? DO people inform Swansea of an address change?

a) One must be a credit card or bank statement for the credit card presented at the desk.
MY STATEMENTS are electronic but I could, no doubt, get a paper version.

b) The other must be a utility bill (gas, electric, water use bill etc.) Mobile phone bills or council tax bills will not be accepted.
Can the utility bill be in German, Czech, Farsi or Thai, for example, I ask myself. Aren't utility bills normally printed in the language of the country they apply to? And that's without mentioning people whose bill is in someone else's name or who, like me, pay an all-inclusive rent.

Both documents must be dated within 8 weeks of date of hire. Electronic copies are not acceptable. You will have to pass a security validation check by car rental agent.

THEN SOME OF THE INFORMATION GIVEN SO FAR IS REPEATED.
*For this rental you will also* need two forms of proof of address that is the same as on your driver's license:

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a) One must be a credit card or bank statement for the credit card presented at the desk.

b) The other should ("must", above, has been replaced here by "should". Please make up your minds.) be a utility bill (gas, electric, water use bill etc.) Mobile phone bills or council tax bills will not be accepted.
Both documents must be dated within 8 weeks of date of hire. You will have to pass a security validation check by car rental agent.

I'm wondering: Is this company trying to weed out 95% of the people who might want to rent from them? Those 95% would be the people who don't live at the same address as shown on their driving licence, who don't receive utility bills showing that same address, and who-for one reason and another-don't have paper credit card or bank statements.
Are these difficult-to-fulfil requirements now "normal" or am I the one who is out of step? Have the "good old days"passed by, the days when to rent a car, one needed, say, a passport, a credit card and a driving licence?
Are these requirements "reasonable"?
Is this company serious about these conditions, I wonder.

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For this rental you will also need two forms of proof of address that is the same as on your driver's license

I have never been asked for such requirements when hiring a car. I suspect this is a condition specific to you because of what happened when they looked at the data you put in your form. Maybe they did a credit check on you and this is a condition specific to someone with your credit history. Or maybe you told them your driving licence number, and they were able to interrogate the DVLA database, and thus recognise that it has a different address from what you told them or your credit card, and the requirement was a polite way to tell you that they refuse to hire cars to people with wrong addresses on their driving licences.

Should I have kept the UK livence authorities updated about every one of my 30 or 40 address changes during those years, around the world, and my "no fixed abode" periods, and received back from them a suitably updated document? DO people inform Swansea of an address change?

Yes, you should have told them every time you changed address, (though you don't have to tell them if you are of no fixed abode or abroad). It is actually an offence to fail to do so. That is why driving licences are commonly accepted as proof of address. Normal law-abiding people do in fact routinely change their addresses on their driving licence, because it is a problem if your driving licence has a wrong address on it: it is illegal to drive on a wrongly addressed driving licence, a fact that your insurance company will pick up on as an excuse to refuse to pay out any claims if they spot it. In the past people were perhaps a bit slow about it, but now with a national computerised car insurance database a policeman can connect to a numberplate recognition camera within seconds, making sure your insurance is completely kosher has become more important.

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Interesting and informative. Not to do with my data, however: I didn't feed anything in (nothing). One can go to this link and have a look at "Rental Conditions":
https://www.arguscarhire.com/book/?c=de%7Cgbp%7Cen-gb&clientID=557721&elID=0427170659094432414&pickupID=3218&returnID=3218&pickupName=Luton%20-%20Airport&returnName=Luton%20-%20Airport&pickupDateTime=2014-04-29T10:00:00&returnDateTime=2014-05-06T10:00:00&age=30&curr=GBP&carGroupID=0&residenceID=DE&CT=AJ&referrer=0:&ns1=1&c=de%7Cgbp%7Cen-gb&gclid=CN-Nso6Ggb4CFbLMtAodtSsAsg&ktrack=1326f271-a8b8-88c8-028f-00005be8c0c3

I have been abroad for the 37-year period I mentioned. Wonderful, then: By not informing "them", I didn't fail to do anything I should have done.
"It's an offence to drive with the wrong address on the licence." That's the sort of thing that makes me want to break as many laws as I can and makes me glad to still be abroad!

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Don't you have a driving licence of the country in which you now live? Couldn't you use that instead of your old UK licence?

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I hate to pour fuel on the fire here, but I'm pretty sure your long period of non-residence will have invalidated your UK licence.
Official government guidance is that you can't renew to an overseas address and should get a new licence in your current country if residence, with a sizeable fine for non-compliance:

https://www.gov.uk/change-address-driving-licence
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/208103/ins57p.pdf
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20968886

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Er

It's a legal requirement to notify DVLA if you change your address.

As for what #4 says, that's exactly what happened to me. I had to swap my UK licence for a German one. Not that I'm complaining, because every hire car outlet in the world will accept a German driving licence, even more than a UK one. Also, the German authorities got it wrong and gave me more stuff to drive than I'd had on my old licence.

Anyway, which company is it?

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Confirmed - I've been resident overseas for 20 years and haven't changed the address on my driving licence (because I didnt have an alternative UK address). Out of curiosity, the last time I picked up a rental car in the UK, I handed over my UK licence to see what would happen. They rejected it because the DVLA database has it flagged as being an out of date address. This wasn't an issue, I just gave them my overseas licence (as normal) which caused no problems.

Its also worth mentioning that Argus car hire are a bucket shop, and have very different requirements to standard car rental agencies. Go direct through any of the main rental companies and they don't ask for an address.

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Plus, UK driving licence now have 2 parts - green paper and pink plastic with photo that needs to be updated every 10 years.

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fwoggie, how do I swap my UK licence for a German one? I'm* angemeldet* in Deutschland.

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byOccasionalHope

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I hate to pour fuel on the fire here, but I'm pretty sure your long period of non-residence will have invalidated your UK licence**

Doubt it. I think UK licences issued at that time were valid, without need to renew, until the holder's 70th birthday. Doesn't matter if it's been used or not. I still have and use one of that type

Given a valid UK address OP could update it to the modern type free of charge. I doubt if any questions would be asked

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