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I'm in Dnepropetrovsk and trying to learn Russian. The problem is, Ukranian is very similar to Russian, and I can't tell which language the television shows I'm watching are in, and I don't want to watch Ukranian programs and think I'm hearing Russian. I can usually tell which language something is written in - Ukranian uses the letter "i" with either one or two dots - but am at a loss for how to distinguish spoken Ukranian from Russian. Any suggestions?

And, is Euronews (cable channel 38 here) dubbed in Ukranian or Russian? Which television networks are in Russian?

Thanks.

(also posting on 'Speaking in Tongues')

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And, is Euronews (cable channel 38 here) dubbed in Ukranian or Russian?

Euronews broadcasts in 9 languages, including Russian, but not Ukrainian.

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Virtually everything you hear on the street in Dnipropetrovsk will be in Russian, not Ukrainian. You can probably get a dozen Russian TV channels, none of which are in Ukrainian.

As you noted, Ukrainian uses the letters І and Ї that are absent from Russian. The Ukrainian Є is also missing from Russian, while the Russian Ы is not used in Ukrainian.

In terms of the spoken language, its more complicated because the Russian spoken in Ukraine is a southern dialect with transitional features that make it closer to Ukrainian, such as Г pronounced as an English H (not G), and full pronunciation of O even when not stressed. Furthermore, many Ukrainian speakers intersperse their conversion with Russian words such as Хорошо and Молодец. Some younger people code switch, starting a sentence in one language and switching to another.

One think to look out for is Russian words containing “O” that often transform to “I” in Ukrainian, for example Комната becomes Кімната. The Ukrainian word “Добре”, meaning fine, is not used in the same way in Russian (Добрий человек is a good man, but the Russian equivalent to Добре is the ubiquitous Хорошо). There is also generally less palatalisation in Ukrainian – the Russian е is often realised as і in Ukrainian (eg Rus Семя vs Ukr Сімя = family). You'll eventually recognise a couple of dozen very common Ukrainian words that are very different in Russian enabling you to distinguish the two languages.

Sorry for a long answer – you’ve asked a hard question, and given the amount of linguistic mixing its difficult to give a simple way to distinguish the two languages. All I can suggest is that you study Russian in more detail – its inevitable you’ll pick up some Ukrainian words too but you can ask friends to stop you if you code switch by mistake.

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Jetix, Viasat History, Discovery, Animal Planet are in russian (at least i have them in russian). Other channels in my network are also in russian but i don't remember them all.

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In general all "free" channels (which can be viewed without cable connection with any external antennae) are ukrainian - it's about 10-15 of them,
all "cable" channels are in russian.

If you have any questions about beautiful sigh city of D. - feel free to mail cause it's my home city and now i stuck here untill spring.

gritz@ua.fm

Edited by: Gritz_Scherban

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All Slavic languages sound similar. You will get used to the difference but it takes a while. Ukrainian sounds a bit softer and has more vowels which makes it more melodic, if that helps.
And if you hear a lot of hard G sounds - that's Russian. Ukrainians say H where Russians say G, like in the name of this city: Gomel in Russian, but Homel in Ukrainian.

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I'd a closer look at my cable channels and figuered out that there are some cable channels in ukrainian, so what i'd wrote above is only "in general".

My cable network provider is CDC. Russian speaking channels are (you can recognize them by a labels in a corner of a screen):

Viasat History
Jetix
Discovery
English Club TV :))))
РЕТРО
ДРАЙВ
ТЕЛЕ НЯНЯ
ОХОТА и РЫБАЛКА
ЗДОРОВОЕ ТВ
УСАДЬБА
EURONEWS
TRAVEL
NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC (NAT GEO WILD)
RTVi
ДОМ КИНО (number "2" in red square)
ВРЕМЯ (number "4" in a blue square)

Edited by: Gritz_Scherban

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Winston? WWu777? Long time no see!!! LOL

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Poor one

:-)

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Thanks everybody for some really helpful answers.

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