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Hi guys. I'm in the very basic stages of planning a month long trip around Turkey, about June 2016, and have come up with a possible route. I'd appreciate some advice on whether this sounds like a fulfilling route in terms of Turkish culture, history, natural sights etc. I plan to stay in most places listed for a few days - maybe?

I plan to fly into Istanbul, stay there for up to a week. Then onto Eskisehir - Pammukale - Goreme (& Cappadocia) - Kayseri - Kahta (Mt Nemrut) - back to Kayseri - Safranbolu - Unye - Trabzon - Rize - back to Istanbul to catch a flight most likely to India.

As I'm budgeting as much as possible I really want to avoid air travel, so will be using buses throughout. I was wondering if it's possible to buy a bus pass to use throughout the country? And finally, considering the bus journey from Rize back to Istanbul is 18 hours, I wouldn't mind stopping over in a town along the way for 1 or 2 days to break the journey up. Is there any nice towns anyone would recommend that aren't hours off route and that are accessible by bus between Rize and Istanbul?

Thanks for reading! All advice is much appreciated!

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You really should go to Bodrum and take a daytrip With a boat.
They make landings in a few places and it's so beatiful With white sand and clear iceblue water!

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Welcome to the forum Nathan!This seems like a reasonable itinery for a month.When you return to Istanbul do you intend to fly our immediately?If so then I would recommend splitting your time into a couple of days at the start and a few more at the end.You are listed as the U.K. so assuming that's where you'll come from you could even consider moving onto your first destination immediately upon arrival-depending on what time you arrive of course :) and saving all of Istanbul until the end.
Just looking through your list...Eskişehir,interesting choice for a first visit.This is a pleasant university town and would give you a nice slice of ordinary everyday Turkish life away from the tourism area's.Skip Kayseri as there isn't enough of interest there to make it worth the visit.Unye too I'd skip maybe in favour of going to Ordu instead which is a nicer.
I'd like to change your route around a little :)
Istanbul train to Eskişehir,H.S. train to Ankara change to bus for Safranbolu bus back to Ankara,bus to Ordu,bus to Trabzon,bus to Rize,bus to Amasya(to break up the long run back),bus to Kayseri,change to bus to Malatya for Nemrut visit,bus to Nevşehir for Cappadocia,bus to Denizli for Pamukkale,bus to Istanbul.
Depending on time you could add a day in Konya after Cappadocia but before Pamukkale and /or Eğirdir after Konya but before Denizli.
Some of the buses would be overnight buses so you'd save on accomodation but...do you know that domestic flights here are plentiful and often as cheap as the bus? and of course save you a lot of time.For example there are flights next week to Trabzon for as little as £34 including all taxes.This is something worth thinking about as it means you could fly direct to Trabzon and then work your way back west again by bus.This would change your itinery around a bit naturally but do consider it.
It is too soon to look for flights yet and anyway you still have lots of time for tinkering around with your plans but basically ...yes,it looks good up to now.

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Thanks limosin - I may consider that. All depends on prices of boat trips, timing etc.

Sarikanarya - now that you mention it, it does sound like a good idea to save Istanbul for the big finale! I can imagine that'd be a fantastic way to round off the trip. Kayseri was only on the list as I thought a bus from there to Kahta was the best way to see Nemrut, but if Malatya instead of Kahta is a better choice I'll go with that? I'm glad you included Ankara as I did want to check it out, and also Amasya looks beautiful! I shall do some more research on the places you've suggested and look to adjust my route as you've advised - thanks for the help :)

Also, I'll definitely keep an eye out for cheap domestic flights nearer the time.

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I thought there may be some new names for you there to research :)
The summer flight schedules start to come out around the end of February so start looking then.By that time you should have your itinery sorted so you can book as soon as you find good flights.Prices tendsto go up and availability down the nearer departure dates get.Airlines here include THY(flag carrier),Atlasjet, Anadolujet(budget arm of THY),Pegasus,Onurair and Borajet.

In Ankara the Museum of Anadolu Civilisations is superb and the recently restored neighbourhood around the castle is very nice to mooch around.
From Kayseri you can go to either Kahta or Malatya but buses to the latter tend to be more frequent.Again you need to do a bit of research and see which works out better for you.

After seeing so many traditional and diverse,low key /non tourist places Istanbul,once you get there, will be a very interesting comparison for you and you'll be able to observe the differences between 'regular' Turkey and the tourist hurly burly of the city.Also by that time you'll have spent several weeks here and will thus understand better how everything works here and how to go on etc.This will help you cope better with what is, by any standards,a huge,multi-faceted mega city.
Another important plus is that you are only half an hour from the airport so no panic-king about getting back there from a distant city for your outbound flight ;)
As your plans come together do come back with your questions as they come up(there are sure to be loads!)so we can all help you put together a great trip.If you haven't seen it already do take a look throught the Turkey Trip Review sticky thread at the top of the page.This has reviews covering pretty much the whole country now,some include photographs etc.and all include lot's of great info and the small details which make all the difference to indie travellers!

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I plan to fly into Istanbul, stay there for up to a week. Then onto Eskisehir - Pammukale - Goreme (& Cappadocia) - Kayseri - Kahta (Mt Nemrut) - back to Kayseri - Safranbolu - Unye - Trabzon - Rize - back to Istanbul to catch a flight most likely to India.

Welcome! If this is your first trip to Turkey you've already done some excellent research to find great places to visit!

While I've read Sarikinarya's replies and may repeat some thing she said and advise others it's simply because of a different perspective.

Definitely move on immediately from Istanbul upon arrival and leave the huge, fast city for the end!

Unless you have some specific reason to visit (perhaps a spa?) Eskişehir is a rather odd inclusion. Not that it's bad--I found the area near the river especially enjoyable for a nice like walk--but despite the name that translates as "Old City" it's mainly a modern city with very little to interest the tourist. Kayseri has a moderately interesting old heart but it's mainly a fast growing transportation/logistics/mining (chromium) with seemingly endless mid-rise flats. I've only passed through Ünye but like most cities/towns along the Black Sea it struck me as having extremely little to interest any traveler.

Regarding transportation: There are no "bus passes" either within or among the numerous bus companies. Turkish buses are however extremely comfortable. My travels throughout Turkey have been almost completely by rental car with the occasional flight and bus thrown in. This does give me a somewhat different perspective than most visitors to Turkey as I've been free to move as quickly or slowly as I want using whatever type of road I want all without regard to bus schedules (or availability). Two general things I can say about land travel in Turkey is that the scenery is generally quite variable (and usually at least "nicely" attractive) within a surprisingly short distance and due to the topography it can take a surprising amount of time and/or mileage to cover what is a very short (at least by the U.S.A. perspective ;) point-to-point distance* no matter how modern the highway*. Bus rides of 8 or more hours are generally overnight routes--which such has some definite advantages like no accommodation needed for a night it can also mean that you miss some beautiful scenery and may not get truly restful sleep. Flights can be very inexpensive booked well in advance and public transportation to airports is cheap and easy. When your ultimate destination is some distance from an airport in a place with significant tourist interest (say Kayseri for Cappadocia or Malatya for Nemrüt Dağı) it's best to make advance reservations with your accommodation and arrange for an airport pickup (often shared) and typically very reasonably priced.

Here's a possible itinerary:

  • Immediately fly Istanbul - Trabzon 2 1/2 - 3 days should be plenty to visit the places of most interest to include Üzün Göl (Long Lake) somewhat inland from Rize. A day or two more if you want to head further up into the Kaçkar Mountains.

  • Then Trabzon - Amasya Amasya is worth every bit of two full days as there is a lot to see in this ancient, beautiful and nicely sized river town.

  • Amasya - Safranbolu Safranbolu is also worth every bit of two full days.

  • Safranbolu - Ankara While I've spent more than five days there in total Ankara is not high on my list of favorites in Turkey. Besides an excellent hamam the only thing I've really enjoyed is the Museum of Anatolian Civilizations (finally fully open after an interminable renovation) and exploring the area near and below it on foot.

  • Fly Ankara - Malatya I know this sounds a bit odd, but I'm finding some dirt cheap flights and it will save you one way of one of the most boring land routes in Turkey that is to and from Kayseri. Do a little internet searching and you'll find a Malatya tour company/hotel that will pick you up from the airport, provide a good tour of Nemrüt Dağı and decent accommodation for a fair price. Nemrüt Dağı is remote and difficult to access even with private transportation.

  • Malatya - Cappadocia Four full days minimum.

  • Night bus Cappadocia - Pamukkale This is a direct "tourist special" route that should be available in June. Otherwise you have to transfer in Denizli. There's very little scenery to miss here.

  • Get your Ancient Greek/Roman City fix in the next few days. Aphrodiasis is excellent and FAR less crowded that Ephesus but unless you have private transportation you need to take a reasonably priced commercial day trip from Pamukkale. Then stay in Selçuk to visit Ephesus. There are some minor ancient cities to the south that while worth a visit if you have the time aren't (to me) special compared to others I've visited throughout Turkey. Pergamum (Bergama) is definitely worth the visit but since there are two (three if it's reopened) distinct sites to visit it's almost too much as a self-guided day trip from Selçuk unless you're willing to part with quite a few lira for taxi fares.

You then have a number of options to get to Istanbul: Fly via Izmir (cheap and saves a long and boring bus ride if you're going direct); direct (or nearly so); bus via Eskişehir; bus via Bursa; bus via Çanakkale, bus via Iznik etc.

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Hey Nathanbridge93;

I spent about 10 days traveling around Turkey on the West coast and Cappadocia. I recently wrote a new travel article on Hot Air Ballooning In Cappadocia on my travel blog Into The Untamed Wild if you wanna check it out: http://www.intotheuntamedwild.com/#!hot-air-ballooning-in-cappadocia-turkey/c983

As to other places to see, here's some of my favs;
- Bergama - check out Pergamos - it's an ancient temple
- Canakkale - this is where the remains of the city of Troy can be found
- Gallipoli
- Ephesus - check out the ancient library etc.
- Laodicea and Pamukkale - check out the thermal springs, Heireopolis, world's steepest ampitheatre etc.
- Cappadocia - check out the Goreme Valley, Open Air Museum, Pigeon Valley, Fairy Chimneys, Urgup City, Underground City and Underground restaurant
- Istanbul - Check out the blue mosque, hagia sophia, boat ride on the river, topkapi palace etc.

I travelled with a group on our own hired bus which was great as we customized the trip to see only what we wanted to - we ended up flying into Izmir and then driving back up to Istanbul stopping at all the sites on the way - then we flew to Cappadocia for a few days before heading on to the next country.

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Sarikanarya, thanks for airline list, I'll definitely keep an eye out. Although, I've mapped out the route you suggested and I love the idea of doing a round-trip of the country all overland. I'll check out the Trip Review thread and come back with some questions I think of in good time, cheers!

Hey Mike - I'll definitely leave Istanbul until the end, I love the idea of finishing there. The thing that attracted me to Eskisehir was what I read on LonelyPlanet: "Eskisehir may well be Turkey's happiest city". Also, I've read the night life is pretty good there, sounds like it's worth paying a visit. Kayseri I just plan to use as a transit city to get to Nemrut; and the Black Sea coast attracted me as I read there are far less tourists on this coast than the south-eastern coast, and Rize looks beautiful in photos!

It's good to know that the buses are of a decent standard as that's the mode of transport I'll be using most often I imagine. I'll also definitely consider adjusting my route to visit Aphrodisias, Pergamum and/or Ephesus as I'd like to see at least some Ancient Greek ruins.

Thanks Intotheuntamed, I'll check out your blog!

I'd also love to visit Mardin, I'm just not sure I'd feel safe so close to the Syrian border at the moment. But maybe the situation will change by the time I come to Turkey. Fingers crossed.

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Ehh...the east.You have plenty of time yet to wait and see how things pan out there.Maybe pencil it in for after Nemrut and Şanlıurfa too-even if it means missing some of the Roman sites in western Turkey to fit these in.
The Black Sea coast does indeed see far less tourist than the west or south coasts but that is not to say it isn't a tourism area...just for local tourism though :) It is incredibly lovely here(yes this is where I live although not as far east as you'll go),unspoilt,clean air,richly green and with it's own culture too.
If you haven't seen it this web site will provide you with lot's of info and idea's-
http://www.karalahana.com/english.html
Truly THE definitive guide to the Karadeniz region!
Whilst in Rize do take time to visit the Tea Institute there.They give tours of the plantations and explain all about how this famous brew reaches your teapot :)
Doimng all the route by land?That reminds me;there is a great post on the trip thread by someone who did a good part of your route all by bus covering a month about 2 years back.That should be useful to you.You'll have to look for it though as I'm afraid I can't remember their user name but do remember they were from South Africa....
I think as the months pass you could find yourself with more itinery than time so do remember that you can always come back again..and again...and...

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Hey Mike - I'll definitely leave Istanbul until the end, I love the idea of finishing there. The thing that attracted me to Eskisehir was what I read on LonelyPlanet: "Eskisehir may well be Turkey's happiest city". Also, I've read the night life is pretty good there, sounds like it's worth paying a visit.

Look up Maksim Müzıkhol & Restaurant in Eskişehir. It was across the street from our hotel (Soyiç Otel) and was extremely busy (and loud) on Saturday night. I wanted to go but the previous few days had been quite busy, the city was a madhouse when we arrived late on a Saturday afternoon and after a great dinner at the hotel and some backgammon I was too tired to join the party. While I haven't heard of the "happiest city" think and my time there was short (we left Sunday afternoon after a nice long walk along the river) the people I interacted with did seem high on the happiness scale. While significantly smaller (population c. 100,000) my personal nomination for "happiest city" in Turkey is Amasya. Night life in Amasya is rather low-key but it's enjoyable. I also recall some long conversations with a Turk at a hotel in Bodrum who was a native of Eskişehir. He was amazed that an American tourist even knew of the city--much less had spent any time there--and was definitely very high on the "happy" scale.

Kayseri I just plan to use as a transit city to get to Nemrut;

Nemrüt Dağı is the sort of place about which you can say, "You can't get there from here." The only direct ways to the general location are from the south (from Urfa) and the east (from Diyarbakır) and both involve a ferry that runs infrequently. Otherwise you go far out of the way and nearly in a circle to get there ;) Even then you still have to get to the site itself which is kilometers away from (not to mention hundreds of meters above) the closest public transportation stop. Given that sunrise and/or sunset visits are considered by far the most desirable and the steep narrow road the last few km even hiking there from the closest accommodation (Nemrüt Kervanseray) is impractical and dangerous.

This is why I made that odd-sounding suggestion to fly to Malatya from Ankara, take a commercial tour and then bus your way back to Cappadocia which may not even involve getting off the bus in Kayseri. Here's my suggestion for a commercial tour from Malatya People who have used and report here say mainly good things while others who have gotten there on their own without private transportation frequently report difficulties and/or being given bad information by locals who severely overcharge. The drive from Cappadocia to Nemrüt is a real candidate for "most boring and unattractive" I've experienced in Turkey--one way is more than enough... The only good part is when you take the old (shorter but much slower) way in after Malatya. I suspect that the tour I suggested will take that way at least once as other area attractions are along that route. The major bus route into Kahta definitely avoids it. I saw promotional prices in the neighborhood of 80 Turkish lira for that flight and even though it arrived at about 01:00 I can nearly guarantee that Guneş will provide an airport transfer for either free or a modest fee.

and the Black Sea coast attracted me as I read there are far less tourists on this coast than the south-eastern coast, and Rize looks beautiful in photos!

Certainly far less tourists (in most places) along the Black Sea but neither is it anything like the Mediterranean and Aegean coasts in the southwest. I've only spent about a week in total directly on the Black Sea coast (three different visits) and only during the autumn (September/October). While it has a certain attractiveness the weather tends to be cool, foggy/misty and dreary much of the time--the farther east (say beyond Samsun) the more this seems to be true. It is by far the wettest part of Turkey and only only region where rain/overcast conditions are common any time of the year. The sea might be warm enough for swimming in June--I know by September/October it is too cool and /or rough for many and for reasonable safety. There is very little in the way of coastal recreation (certainly no notable seaside accommodation) between and including Ünye and Rize. The Black Sea is supposedly named in part because of the predominate coastline--enormous basalt boulders that look black when wet. I'm not saying that it's bad but am saying that any vision of basking in the sun on a nice beach with a reasonably warm sea dos not have a great chance of realization during a short visit to the eastern Black Sea coast

It's good to know that the buses are of a decent standard as that's the mode of transport I'll be using most often I imagine. I'll also definitely consider adjusting my route to visit Aphrodisias, Pergamum and/or Ephesus as I'd like to see at least some Ancient Greek ruins.

I'd also love to visit Mardin, I'm just not sure I'd feel safe so close to the Syrian border at the moment. But maybe the situation will change by the time I come to Turkey. Fingers crossed.

Regardless of the situation in the southeast of Turkey and despite a reasonable time to spend (3 weeks not counting Istanbul) you risk turning a nicely paced itinerary into a forced march if you venture too far east or too far south beyond the places mentioned. Mardin does earn my fascination for being the only place I've visited in the world where truly antique (1,000+ year-old) and beautiful buildings are still in wide use for both residence and commerce. The old heart of the city is rather like Marrakesh where everything is still moved and delivered by human power. If you do decide to visit there I would suggest working your way there by bus to fly to Istanbul and omit the Greco/Roman cities in the central Aegean area.

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