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My wife and I are mature travellers with a brief stopover (3 clear days) in St Petersburg (2 nights) & Moscow (1 night) later this year. We know it's not long enough - We'll just get a taste and go back another time. We'd like to book our hotels and overnight sleeper train ourselves and wondered if anyone had experience of getting visa application documentation for the hotels/train that we'll actually be staying in. We're aware of agencies that offer documentation for notional accommodation.

The visa form for Australians says that we need:
A standard tourist confirmation ("Podtverzdeniye") from an authorized hosting Russian travel agency, registered with the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The confirmation letter must contain the agency's special reference number.
A tour voucher (original from Australian travel company or fax copy from authorized hosting Russian travel agency).

Australian travel agents want double the cost that we can get on the internet.

Also, what about documentation for the train?

Thanks

Adrian Prince

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Please read the New Russia sticky. The link is in my signature line. It explains how to get the necessary visa support without going through a travel agency making your reservations.

You will need to purchase support because you have one night on the train and hotels can only issue letters of invitation for nights at which you are booked and the trains do not issue these for nights on the train.

Ruth

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Reply 1 is correct. On top of that, getting visa support through the hotel you're actually staying at is likely to cost as much as, if not more than, visa support using notional accommodation through one of the established brokers. If you're worried the immigration authorities will make trouble, don't: notional accommodation is the established way of getting visa support and everybody knows this. As long as you have a visa support form with the correct stamps, you should easily get your visa.

In Russia, whatever your papers say is true, even if it obviously isn't in reality...

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There is as much confusion and rumor about how to get a visa or register as there is with any other topic concerning Russia. Actually the rules are not so complicated, and the Internet suggestions primarily concern trying to skirt the laws rather than to comply with the pretty straight forward procedures.

The laws changed last year to bring Russian tourism up to a more professional level. All reference numbers held in the past were cancelled by June 1st 2007 and new Unified Federal Registration was adopted with a new numbering system for hotels and tour operators who demonstrated financial responsibility by posting a 10,000,000 Ruble(about $420,000) into a fund from which claims from visitors who were cheated or not properly accommodated and to receive compensation. The majority of prior reference number holder did not apply for new authorization. Here in St Petersburg, there were approximately 1200 such reference numbers before June 1st and about 380 currently. This law more closely aligned tourism practices in Russia to Europe and North America.
New reference numbers called MBT numbers were assigned to the complying tour operators and hotels. To invite and sponsor a foreign visitor, this number if required. A different, lower requirement is needed for tour and hotel operators who host Russian tourism in-country or outbound.
Visa services do not have this right of sponsorship or invitation so they buy visa support from willing hotel clerks or others wanting to risk their employment. That is why visa support documents supplied from visa services are never for the hotels or tour operators you are actually using.. The new law shifts the responsibility of compliance to the host and away from the visitor. Gone are the fines for not registering, which used to have a maximum penalty of 600 Rubles.
The sponsor, usually hotel or tour operator is now responsible for registering their guest and again reporting shortly after the visitor has departed the country by turning in the original registration application. The visitor has no action required of them, or cost in theory. But recently less than ethical hotels and tour operators have been adding registration fees. So for visitors, the whole process is invisible to them. They need not carry proof of registration, a photocopy of a slice of the registration application is enough to show it was applied for.

For those not registering with their sponsor, selected post offices and OVIR can do it. Post offices are preferred, they usually have shorter lines.

Visitors are often asked who their sponsor is nowadays because it is important. A regular hotel or tour operator will have their name and their MBT number on your VISA support documents, and they will match. Visa services usually do not tell their customers what hotel is "sponsoring" the client. It is on your visa so be sure to know. That hotel is responsible for registration if you go there, and if you do not know who sponsored you the immigration officer can on their own discretion, deny your entry.
Here is a link to ALL the currently issued MBT numbers from the official government site:
http://www.russiatourism.ru/section_5/ it is in Russian, and the file needed for international tourism is reached by clicking on the link labeled: Международный туризм
It is a MS Word 2003 Document.

If your tour operator is not on the list, you are not getting the whole story.

Overall, tourist visas and registration is easier than ever for the vast majority of visitors who get the correct visa for their type of visit, most ethical hotels or tour operators send visa support for free, and once in the country, registration is a free and invisible requirement for the visitor, and exiting has lost the worry about not being properly registered.

There are bigger changes with the Business Visa but that is for another post if anyone is interested.

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Can anyone please recommend a hotel or hostel that can help me get the necessary visa invitation document as soon as possible ,

I'm hoping to visit Moscow on or about 17th May for 5 days, many thanks

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Order it over the internet, it will cost 45 USD for same day delivery and 30 USD for 48 hour delivery.

Hostels will charge the same amount.

Hotels will require that you book reservations and prepay with a credit card but they won't charge for the invitation as they fold the cost into the room charge.

Ruth

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