Staying in NZ/Aus after WHV

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tomclevitt476620
tomclevitt476620

Hello all. I am currently weighing up whether to move to Wellington NZ or Melbourne Aus. A bit factor in my decision will be where is easier to stay on after my working holiday visa runs out. Due to my age I can only apply for the one year visa for Australia, and although I can get a two year visa for NZ I think it makes more sense to do the one year (I am only allowed to work for half of the 2 year).

I will be looking for work bartending (I have plenty of experience) and shouldn't have too much trouble being promoted to manager. My question is, what criteria do I have to match to be able to stay longer after my visa expires? I've been told in NZ it's as simple as earning $20 an hour regardless of position and time spent in the job. I have been told for Australia it's a little trickier as it's based on whether you are doing a skilled job or not, my research tells me Bar Manager is skilled.

Does it matter how long I've held the position? Seeing as I'm only going for a year it would be a waste of time if in, for example, Australia I would have to be working for the same company for longer than this.

Final question, how strict is the 6 month with one employer rule in Aus? I know lots of people get away with it but then leave so it doesn't really matter. If I was going to apply for a visa extension surely they'd find out I'd been working for one company for too long and this wouldn't help my case?

Thanks in advance :)

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emmeff
emmeff

If you hope to apply for a visa extension or to become an eventual migration candidate, then surely it is logical to follow the regulations that apply, rather than seek to establish what you can 'get away' with. That is not the basis for finding a welcome in any country.

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westwood
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I would imagine to be a skilled migrant you would need some sort of qualification.

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westwood
westwood

The whole purpose of a WHV is to allow a person make some money to supplement their travel. If this isn't the aim, then the WHV isn't the right visa.
And NZ is tightening up on their migrant visas. The goal posts are being moved.

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tomclevitt476620
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Ok, anyone with a positive input? Thanks :)

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aussieguarddog43
aussieguarddog43

You do know the 457 got canned, don't you?
That was an easy one, 4 years max allowable, then the chance to apply for PR.
Now its 2 years max stay allowable, under the new visa number,
and in very rare cases, 4 years stay under the new skilled visa.
Best of luck.
The Home Affairs website would be the best place to peruse.
If you do want to stay 3 years, or 2.5, one option would be to do a Hotel Management Degree, not cheap, but this would allow you to work 20 hours a week while you study during term time, and no limit during longer holidays.
Can work with the same employer too, and you also get lower tax as a student, instead of as a WHV holder.

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markfawkner
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And answer is an answer, not positive or negative.

This is the list for 'skilled' Australia:

https://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/hindi/en/article/2017/06/30/want-migrate-australia-2017-18-skilled-occupations-list-announced

You ain't on it.

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westwood
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And you ain't on the NZ one either. Not even if you can get a Bar Managers job.

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tomclevitt476620
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Weird, I know a bunch of people who have been sponsored by their employers to stay...

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markfawkner
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Officially (from a govt website) sponsorship can only occur when "....when an appropriately skilled Australian cannot be found to fill a position, as well as employing visa holders currently in Australia"

Additionally: "This visa is for Australian employers who want to sponsor highly skilled workers for a permanent visa to work in their business. The employees can be either: highly skilled workers from overseas or highly skilled temporary residents currently in Australia. So, before you can even think about the possibility of getting a job sponsorship, you will need to have a skill and qualifications to match, so your first task is to take a look to see if your skill is on the skills lists."

I know people who have been sponsored to stay - teachers, engineers, nurses, all kinds of qualified people for which there is a shortage of in Australia. Officially, bar manager doesn't fit unless they have a special qualification or skills that can't be met/easily met within Australia. If you know of bar managers who have been sponsored they are the guys you should talk to.

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