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P.s. The more we go the more we interact with the people just by visiting,contributing slightly to the local economies, the more we dispel the Generals propaganda and our own Governments as well lol
This is why I personally think the Burma campaign does more harm than good, by trying to block independent travel to Myanmar as well as official tourism that just lines the Generals pockets with more $'s.

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If the Burmese generals were smart they should have just done what they do in Singapore. Declared themselves a democracy and sued ASSK and the NLD with a silly trumped up defamation suit and write into the constitution that a bankrupt cannot run for office. Hey presto! Opposition removed and its all technically legal.Then open doors to the West for trade to keep the citizens happy. It's worked here since 1965.
The singapore government has no more desire to relinquish control over the country than Myanmar's. It's all in the delivery.

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Kananga the generals don't think the way others do, Like ceauscescu it's all 'cobblers' to them

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Than Shwe defies the world again

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My wife and I went to Burma the first time around 1978 and have been back four times. There have been many thousands of other people traveling to Burma over the years. I’m wondering why some of you are so sure that traveling to Burma is an effective way to help the Burmese and that all other efforts are a waste of time, hubris, etc. on the part of “armchair activists” and “punters.”

Where are your outcomes? Why are you so sure your way is the only way? (And so far, it’s STILL the only alternative option given in this thread.) Why don’t you respect what other people are doing? Nobody has disrespected you or your position that going to Burma helps the Burmese (though Helen disagrees with it). I’ll answer the questions for (some of) you: you have a position and defending that position, including denigrating others (personally and in terms of their beliefs and actions) is your purpose here. I guess you want to “win” some stupid-ass internet argument. Probably you would do a little better and garner a little more respect for your position if you had a little more respect for others.

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I'm sure deep down you mean well but I lost count of the contradictions in your last post. Take a chill pill and relax. All people have done here is voice their opinion (which they are entitled to) on the lack of effectiveness of online petitions.

If you want to have a 'stupid ass internet argument' as you call it, then take it elsewhere.

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Quote: "All people have done here is voice their opinion (which they are entitled to) on the lack of effectiveness of online petitions."

No Kananga, you're wrong - they've disrespected others (discussed in previous posts, e.g., "armchair activists," etc. - and shown to a lesser extent in your condescending, "I'm sure deep down you mean well" statement) and you still have not offered any alternative other than go to Burma. Of course you have not and you will not because you have nothing to offer other than criticism and deflection.

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Like I said, if you want to have a 'stupid ass internet argument' take it elsewhere.
I never even said go to Burma. May I suggest that if you feel the need to keep up this aggression you sort out who you are directing it at before launching on these silly offensives.

Peace

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Nice one. Illustrates the deflection comment. Write anytime you have any constructive ideas on how one can contribute to or play some part in freedom for the Burmese.

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What could one do? Ok, one could stop China and Russia providing hundreds of millions of dollars in foreign investment as this flow of revenue provides the Junta with enough money to stick two fingers up to the West.

Perhaps if we start an online petition and stand outside the embassies we could get Wen Jaibo and Putin to withdraw all investment in the country? Do you think that would work?

If not please hold off on the 'internet argument offensive' and shoot a few ideas of your own instead of launching personal attacks on people who actually have more than one toe in the real world.

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