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From today's Times:

World Agenda: sad truth is nothing much has helped in Burma
[http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/world_agenda/article6325298.ece]

...But the attention devoted to her struggle raises the question: what, if anything, can the rest of the world practically do to bring about political change in Burma?

...The sad truth is that nothing very much has helped in Burma, and there is nothing obvious left to try. The two extremes of policy are engagement - as pursued by Burma’s neighbours in the Association of South-East Nations (Asean) - on the one hand, and isolation, practiced by the US and EU, on the other.

...Several of Asean’s members have rotten human rights records of their own. Part of the reason they have embraced Burma as a member, one suspects, is because, compared to the Burmese junta, even the communist dictatorships of Vietnam and Laos look progressive by comparison.

Officially, they argue that the friendly encouragement of neighbours is more effective in bringing about change than the reproach of governments half a world away. But 12 years after joining Asean, Burma has made no genuine progress towards democratic reform.

But sanctions have done no palpable good either – and there is a strong argument that, whatever inconvenience they have caused for the junta and its cronies, they have done great harm to ordinary Burmese. An unofficial tourist boycott, encouraged by NGOs such as the UK Burma Campaign, and apparently approved of by Ms Suu Kyi, has put off tourists for decades, and has impoverished Burmese waitresses, cyclo drivers and guest house owners, as well as the junta's crony businessmen who run the five star hotels.

...The problem with sanctions is that, however effectively they are applied by Europe and the US, the countries with most influence on Burma have little interest in taking part. For China and India, Burma is a highly strategic sphere of influence in which they compete for long term advantage.

...One alternative is to drop sanctions altogether, and hope that in the commercial free-for-all that follows, the passion for growing rich persuades the generals or their cronies to liberalise politics in their own interests. The other is to adapt the sanctions policy, and opt for so-called “smart” sanctions - a term much discussed as the Obama administration undertakes a review of Burma policy.

Advocates such as the Burma Campaign UK argue that a wider range of measures would bring meaningful pain to the general. These include tighter sanctioning, but also visa bans for regime related figures (including, for example, the judges in the current case); better co-ordination between EU countries and like-minded governments; a ban on foreign investment in oil and natural gas (which are not fully sanctioned); and greater diplomatic pressure on China, such as at the EU-China summit in Prague....

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So what started off as a discourse on petitioning for ASSK's immediate release has devolved into 'whether sanctions work' debate, once again. One is an arguement for individual political action and the other is a foreign policy dilemma.

zeke--it's a good article outlining the dilemma that individuals and foreign governemnts face in pressuring for change in Burma. I agree that sanctions have been ineffective but I also think that 'engagement' is likely to be ineffective as well, especially without the cooperation of it's regional enablers. One needs to look at the Tibet issue to realize that there is very little leverage on the West's part to improve human rights there. But despite the sense of futility, doesn't mean that change is impossible and that we as indvidual citizens should throw up our hands (or in the case of some , 'wash our hands') of the issue. Two cases in point are Indonesia and the Philippines where reform seemed impossible. Both Marcos and Suharto were dictators backed by the military but at some point, 'the tipping point', the citizenry rose up to overthrow these corrupt leaders. Let's hope it's the same with Burma.

Hannah Beech had a great article from back in March, Times Magazine in which she wrote:

. . .The Western dialogue over what to do about Burma's repressive military regime is often framed as a single dilemma: whether or not to impose international sanctions. The debate is polarizing. The pro-sanctions crowd claims the moral high ground, deploring the enrichment of a clutch of ethnocentric Burmese generals whose impulses are most brutal against the roughly 40% of the population that, like the villages of Arakan state, is composed of ethnic minorities. The engagement side preaches practicality, arguing that some investment will trickle down to the populace and that cultural exchange is better than imposed isolationism. When U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton visited Asia on her inaugural foreign trip last month, she weighed in on the Burma question, acknowledging: "Clearly the path we have taken in imposing sanctions hasn't influenced the Burmese junta ... [which is] impervious to influence from anyone." (See pictures of Burma's discontent.)

The truth about Burma, renamed as Myanmar by its generals, is that the sanctions debate is immaterial. While American and European foreign policy thinkers ponder how to financially strangle an army government that has ruled since 1962, Burma's regional neighbors are embarking on a new Great Game, scrambling to outdo each other for access to this resource-rich land. "Sanctions don't work if most countries ignore them," says Naw La, an exiled environmentalist with the Kachin Development Networking Group in Thailand. "The military is selling our natural heritage without any concern for our people." . . .

[full article here: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1886304,00.html ]

She also wrote an Opinion piece in yesterday's Time, online:
Why Foreigners Can Make Things Worse for Burma
By Hannah Beech Times May 19, 2009 http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1899595,00.html

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But I still don't understand the need for some on this branch to criticize the actions of those who are petitioning for ASSKs immediate release. What good does that do? I would think the generals in Burma would take a look on this thread and take comfort [and be amused] that we seem to want to divide our desire to bring about change rather than to work together for that change.

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There's no sanctions debate for French oil firm Total -- they're not to be part of any such deal.

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(sorry, the link got fouled up in editing that previous post: "...They're not to be part of any such deal": [http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h-wg8QEvazQHkEychl-ZzSbFG8YQ] )

There's a good relevant quote from that recent TIME article:

"One of Suu Kyi's lawyers branded Yettaw a "wretched American." Inside the country, it can be easy to spot the foreign idealists masquerading as, say, tourists or teachers, who have made it their mission to change Burma. They whisper about regime change and seethe with political indignation. They talk about signature campaigns or the latest effort to get foreign parliamentarians to condemn the Burmese regime's odious behavior."

"The impulse to want to rid Burma of its cruel government is understandable. But, so far, the outcome of this imported idealism has been nothing but failure."

--Sure, the Indonesian and Philippine uprisings can be inspiring. But as a model for Myanmar, there's one major difference: (as far as I'm aware,) Suharto and Marcos weren't near so ready and willing to mow down their own uprising citizens with bullets. That's a proven effective deterrent.

And for the west to encourage their citizens to be on the receiving end of that? I can't say that's what I'm hoping for more of.

Once again it's a case of been there (1988, 2007), done that, didn't work... 'cause I got killed instead.

Edited by: zeke7

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Here are a few ideas on what to do:
1. Respect what people of good heart are doing, regardless of whether you agree with their actions.
2. Pray, with heart and soul for freedom and relief of suffering among people in and from Burma.
3. Spend a few hours every week, faithfully, serving people from Burma in your community (believe me, they need help).
4. Be a part of a greater effort to keep Burma in the minds of your leaders by writing to your Congressional leaders, President, newspaper and so on. Let them know what you think are good options, e.g., pressuring China.
5. Inform others about Burma, including the beauty and the problems. If you’re a teacher, teach your students or you could do something on the internet – whatever your assets might be.
6. Get involved with the Open Society Institute (Soros Foundation).
7. Go to Burma and take medicine, money, whatever (gotta be more than just showing up) OR participate in Helen’s effort.
8. Don’t lose heart.

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#94 Very admirable actions but I thought we were discussing ideas for her release and regime change?

With all due respect I can't see how praying to your own god or serving Burmese expats is going to do that.

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I'm done talking with you, Kananga.

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Haha, ok suit yourself.

Take care.

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Here are a few ideas on what to do:

No problems at all with that list bun_cha. They're all very easy to comply with, but it won't bring about change to Myanmar. The only problem with doing "feel good" activities such as this, is that you may develop a false sense of accomplishment when in fact a lot more still needs to be done. If only Myanmar has the dreaded three letter word "oil"; only then would other countries be more willing to step in. That's the sad truth.

Just my 2 kyats worth.

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Actually, Mr. V, it isn't that easy to do more than a few, at least on an ongoing basis. And of course they're not all for everyone - one person may get involved with Soros (an excellent thing to do), another may take medications to Burma, and another may, like montyman be a hope bringer. It's mostly all good. Even those things that aren't completely congruent with your or my beliefs and efforts.

You said either in this thread or another one that you have a lot emotion invested in or coming out of Burma (sorry if I didn't get that about right). Same here. And I'm pretty sure I understand what you're saying re feel-good activities.

I don't really experience most of these as feel-good activities. There is some work involved in most and at times it's a burden - like today when one of the destroyed souls from Burma came in to talk with me when I was already going 90 miles an hour. But so it goes.

Here's the thing, I'm keeping on in hopes that other people will also keep on and someday I believe that Burma will be a better place. Montyman and Zeke said something about the importance of individuals going to Burma and being engaged and thus bringing hope to the people there.

I hope I'm still alive when things get better. I wish I didn't have so many years and did have more energy. I could dig taking medical care into Karen and Kachin areas and the ugly townships near Rangoon, etc. where internal exiles live. A couple of years ago, someone from Soros suggested I put in a grant application. To my dismay (and shame), I just didn't have the energy to commit to the necessary 3 years and to more than the little I'm doing now.

I truly believe Burma will someday be a better place and in the meantime, I'm keeping on in the ways I can.

Refugees

Edited by: stumbling in The Dharma

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