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<hr>I know the crowd your talking about and avoid them like the plague, have even bashed the odd pedophile...<hr></blockquote>
Tracking down and bashing pedophiles too - and more than one. Amazing.
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<hr>Hold your head high, and people with intelligence will see your realtionship is genuine.<hr></blockquote>
I used to think you are right about this but my observation has been that the those who are going to look down on a western man/Asian woman couples continue to do so regardless of the real nature of the relationship. By way of example, at the Independence park a few months ago I saw a 20-something couple of western tourists giving the sour-face stare to a couple I know - a 50 yo guy and his 30 yo Asian wife. And I thought to myself, 'if they knew this was his wife of 8 years and they are happy and have a family, they'd think differently.' Shortly thereafter, the nanny brought their kids there and everybody sat together, they bought ice cream and played, and the sour-faced tourists got even sourer, hands on hips, clicking their tongues, scrunching up their tiny little Australian mouths even smaller like they just bit into a lemon. I don't know what they think they saw in this man and his wife, but clearly, there was nothing he could do to win their approval...not that he should have to. 'People with intelligence' don't bother themselves judging the relationships of other consenting adults.
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<hr>We western women also hate the generalisations. Why don't we stop it now.<hr></blockquote>
Nice idea (albeit a generalization.) But it would be nice if the western woman who started all this agreed.
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<hr>I don't know what they think they saw in this man and his wife, but clearly, there was nothing he could do to win their approval<hr></blockquote>
I know what you mean. One of my parents is Asian, one is Western. Occasionaly years ago during family outings, we's come across a group of this type of moron.
Notice to this type of patronising, moralising (not that their 'morals' have any basis in reality) moron: you are only making yourself angry and stupid looking for no reason whatsoever. Plus you are running a real risk of finding a fist landing on your face. Grow up.
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Fool - Yeh, what have you done lately besides living behind your computer and bagging everybody elses information. What are you self appointed moderator who's information and morals are the only correct ones? Get outside and smell the exhaust fumes a bit.
Nah. I don't know where it is you hang out and find pedophiles. But wherever it is, I don't want to go there. Nor do I support or want to be a part of extra-judicial justice.
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<hr>But what pisses me off is western women categorising us all into the same class.<hr></blockquote>
I think the big thing that pisses off Western women is that the guys who do this categorize all Western women into the same class, as well. I don't think I need to tell you what class we're categorized in. We're apparently all fat, all ugly, all mean, all bitchy, all manly. Guess what...we're not. And the stereotypes we hear out of the mouths of a lot of men riles the situation. (Especially if you're a long term female expat in Asia, and spend a lot of your time having to interact with Western guys here). It's just as bad as Western women judging your relationships with Asian girls.
Also whining about 'womens lib bullshit' makes it sound as though you believe women should never have figured out that they are equal human beings who deserve equal respect and chances in life. That's all real womens lib is or ever was. All the feminazi man-hating stuff is in the vast minority, and the women who espouse it, like all extremists, are best avoided by everyone.
Finally, talking about what men like and 'men who date Asian women have it right, of couse we don't want white girls' or whatever is a judgement against other men! Who are you to say what the preferences of other Western men are? My (Western, living in Asia with me, a Western woman - heaven forfend!) boyfriend gets pretty offended by that and frankly, I can see why.
As for relationships between two consenting adults - whatever. Chances are that if you've got a 'thing' for Asian girls, you're not the type most Western girls want anyway - decent-looking or not. If you meet enough Western guy-Asian girl couples, you get a good sense for what's creepy and what's just two happy, consenting, genuinely-mutually-in-love people. The latter is scary and best avoided in social situations. The latter is fantastic, because race really shouldn't matter.
But to say that ALL such pairings are "not" creepy is totally off. To say that they all are is also off-base.
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Just walking down the street, sitting in cafes, bars etc. Are you saying you never saw them? I can't believe it! Seriously, not trying to argue or wind you up. I am very chatty, and always give people a go when travelling as I don't want to be presumptuous, and this meant I ended up talking to some, or overhearing load conversations and seeing unsavoury things.
Maybe some of us who spend a long time in asia just don't notice it anymore.
Please don't call me a "you people";-) I don't agree 100 percent with either side in this debate, and understand there are many complexities.
I am aware as you mentioned many expats, probably the majority in fact given the multitude of ngos are decent "normal" people. It is just pretty in your face in comparison to the prostitution industry in Western countries don't you think?
I agree some of the men may be sex tourists, but some also live there.
I don't know that it makes much difference to what i am talking about?
#91, I am not canning you for your choice to be with asian women. I have spent a long time in asia and understand the attraction. You don't need percentages to justify your quote. I just think the generalisations from both sides are hurtful as there is a vast variety of people in between, prejudice doesn't help anyone.
It is your life and your responsibility to make it happy. And if you are, good job.
Re: the "bottom feeders", they are miserable and make everyone in their path that way.
foolsprogress. The sourfaced tourists ...what can say, they sound awful , and i know this happens to many innocent people, it is unfair, and I feel sorry for these people.
Sorry OP, I will now answer you with some of the things i love about Cambodia.
Siem Reip I found to be a nice little town, some great little cafes and places to eat, lots of shops to buy beautiful handicrafts, a great market and plenty of ngo and shops selling wares to help the disadvantaged. There are a couple of hospitals where you can donate blood, with safe sanitary conditions, many tourists i met did this. When you see the poverty it is nice to be able to help in a concrete way.
Battambong I found lovely, nothing much there as it's quite small, but lovely scenery by the river, a nice place to kick back and relax.
Phnom Penh I didn't stay long, but the russian market was good
Sihannoukville was nice, the starfish cafe a great place to swap and buy books, hang out in a hammock, read and eat home baked goods, they support people with disabilities as well...
Victory beach I didn't care for, Serendipity is supposed to be nicer.
And I found the cambodians in general to be lovely.
Cheers, joy
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<hr>But to say that ALL such pairings are "not" creepy is totally off. To say that they all are is also off-base.<hr></blockquote>
Nobody said anything about 'creepy' until now, one way or the other. Within this thread, this is a new standard by which to judge other people's relationships. You complain about guys judging western women unfairly and admitted that "it's just as bad as Western women judging your relationships with Asian girls." And yet here you are judging relationships that are not between "genuinely-mutually-in-love people" to be "creepy." Don't be surprised if the people that you judge to be creepy and the people who feel you might judge them to be creepy don't turn around and judge you, probably in accordance with the standard stereotype.
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<hr>And the stereotypes we hear out of the mouths of a lot of men riles the situation.<hr></blockquote>
Take note that in this thread it was a woman that began with the generalizations about "fat bald men" and their "teenage girls." Prior to her comments about men with Asian women, no mention had been made of angry cowish western biddies. That came in response. You are correct to say that stereotyping riles the situation. Just look at this thread.
98 - I don't think it's anybody's place to judge anyone elses personal relationships.
Maybe one or both of the parties is someone you would never talk to or invite into your house in a fit, but they aren't breaking any laws [or even in countries where prostitution is illegal, it's so open that it obviously has government sanction at every level], they are not forcing anyone to spend any time with them.
So it is nobody's business except the people involved. Tsk-tsking them is pointless.
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