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I just got back from Tibet on Friday, I booked through Sims and flew from Chengdu and then train back to Shanghai, I still had to pay a black market extra on the train, but didn't want to chance buying it myself as I had flight out of Shanghai on Saturday. The extra was only 250 on top of the 1314 yuan, just another of the fees that pop up for everything in Tibet but worth it in the end. I would have preferred to take the train in and fly back but not logistically easy as there seems to be no agent in Shanghai for doing the booking. It also sounds like the the tickets in this direction are more popular so would be harder to get.

One thing I was not expecting is that I actually got to keep the permit. I had to have it to get on the plane and the guide just had a copy so I still have the original.

Sims were great, I arrived at 7pm one day and is a few hours had booked the Tibet trip for a week later as well as a trip down the Yangtze leaving at 7am the next morning.

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Interestingly a friend of mine is now in Lhasa without any permits, tour or guide. They bought a train ticket themselves in Beijing and just jumped on the train and went. There are now a few travelers in Lhasa who have got there without any permits at all. So the situation is slowly improving (if you're prepared to take the risk!) Having said that though it still sounds like it is pretty much impossible to travel very far outside of Lhasa without a permit.

However this is a good sign that the situation is slowly returning to pre-2008 days. Lets hope that after Oct. (sensitive anniversary time) it improves quickly.

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Thanks for posting mrcjonesy - that's great news!

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HI Bantonia.....don't get to excited!! It could just mean that a few savvy folks are now managing to get through. There is still a very real risk that you'll get busted on the train and sent back....and no-one is getting on flights yet without a permit. (also it is still an issue booking onward travel in Lhasa without having an entry permit.....so that makes traveling beyond Lhasa rather tricky!) However it is a sign that things are beginning to settle down. I'm heading up to Lhasa in a few weeks so will have some more info soon.

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Hi folks.
Is it possible to travel overland in a jeep from Chengdu to Lhasa these days? (in a pre-organised group obviously)
I know parts of the Eastern TAR are tough to get around, permit wise, but is it even possible to get over the border between Derge and Chamdo?
Thanks

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Its totally possible to cross into Eastern TAR through Dege and on through Chamdo but only if you have the correct permits. Any decent agency should have no trouble getting these permits for you as part of your booking. A friend of mine did the Chengdu - Lhasa route (through Dege and Chamdo) 2 weeks ago with no problems. (booked with a Lhasa based agency with 4X4, guide, and correct permits)

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Just the answer i was looking for, thanks mrcjonesy, now i just need to find me a group....!

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I just got back from my second three week trip in Tibet (first was last year), around Lhasa, up to Nagchu, Ganden-Samye, Reting, etc. Make sure you all use your hand sanitizer in the remote areas! I didn't one day and wound up in the hospital for four days with a serious stomach infection, not pleasant.

Because of the unrest in Xinjiang, we heard that Chinese authorities were keeping things tight all over, including Tibet, out of concern that political unrest could spread. I wouldn't try unguided travel at this time unless you get some thrill out of beating the system (or of course if you're low on cash, unguided travel is a lot cheaper). But you probably get a lot more out of the experience if you have a good Tibetan guide than if you can't understand anyone or anything, but crappy guides can result in a bad experience and big waste of money I've heard.

People on this thread have been very help to me in finding good tours and a good guide, I hope the moderators don't mind if I make a plug for a Tibetan start-up tour company called Tibet Eco Tours. It's led by a native Tibetan called Jamphel Sonam, and operated by him and his girlfriend, who is based in Chengdu, he also works with Tibet Village Projects, helping villagers with projects that will improve their lives. I researched a lot of guide companies and used this guide when he worked for Visit Tibet last year and then again this year with Tibet Eco Tours, he also freelances a bit for Wind Horse Tour. He has an incredible knowledge of Buddhism, is a serious trekker, and uses a lot of the money he makes to fund the village projects, such as a barley mill a buddy of mine and I contributed to build near Reting last winter. He is pretty good if you want to go to villages not frequented by tourists and visit Tibetan homes and stuff, hear traditional music, visit nomads, do treks, etc. His girlfriend is in Chengdu and has been in the tour business for a long time, so they can arrange all the same permits, flights, etc. as the big companies and I'm pretty sure he's gonna grow a lot when he gets his web site up. He should be able to help out a lot with permits and tours. His email is tibetecotour@gmail.com. You can also send me a personal message if you have any questions about them or want more background.

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Hi!

My name is Ander. I am a Basque guy planning a trip to Tibet from September 25th to October 16th. I would fly into and out of Lhasa, probably via Chengdu.

I would like to visit many of the following places: Lhasa, Gyantse, Shigatse, Manasarovar, Kailash khora and Dangra.

Anybody interested to take the tour and share the cost?

Ander

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How about we keep this thread on track and only post relating to the permit situation?

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