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hi there,
i am planning to take the train from beijing to irkutsk next year may. It's a bit early but I would like to gather as much infos as possible.
my plan is to take the train from beijing to irkutsk, spend time at lake baikal and then take the train to ulan ude and bus to ulan bataar, spend some time in ulan bataar and finally take the train back to beijing.

does anyone knows what is the train schedule, the train fare, departs on which day and the cheapest train to take? Would not prefer to take the bus nor local train due to time constraint, apart from the bus journey from ulan ude to ulan bataar, whihc i understand is much shorter than the train.

is it cheaper to take the train from beijing to ulan bataar, and then ulan bataar to irkutsk or just a direct train from beijing to irkutsk?
it would be good if you can provide me with the train schedule and fare, so i can plan my trip better.

also, what is the train schedule and fare from ulan bataar to beijing?

do i need visa for mongolia and russia? i'm a malaysian.

If i have 6 days in ulan bataar, where do you suggest me for day trips?

many thanks for your help!!

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There are lots of experts who will give lots of good advice on trans-mongolian travel, but please also try the website if you have not already found it in your research www.seat61.com/Trans-Siberian.htm. This site was really helpful to me when I planned my trans-manchurian trip earlier this year.

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There are only two trains per week from Beijing to Irkutsk. One is the #3/4 which departs Beijing on Wednesdays and passes through Mongolia.

Because you have a Malaysian passport, you would need 2 visas for Mongolia, so it might make more sense to take the other train which is the #19/20. This train departs Beijing on Saturdays and travels through Manchuria, a part of China and then crosses into Russia at Manzhouli/Zabiakalsk.

Because of the need for visas, the cheapest way to get to Irkutsk will be to take a Chinese train from Beijing to Manzhouli, cross the border by bus and then take a Russian train from Zabaikalsk to Irkutsk (if the direct train isn't available or no berths are available, then you might have to go Zabaikalsk to Chita to Irkutsk). This will be cheaper than any other combination to get to Russia.

The fares for trains within Russia will vary considerably with the particular train, the class of travel and the date of travel so there is no way to give you the information that you seek. In addition, the prices are reset each year in May and the holiday schedule in reset in January. Even estimating is difficult without knowing more. For an example of the variation in costs see #7 New RU Train sticky

Simple train schedules for Irkutsk to UU can be found using this website: Your Train - CIS train schedule. But again prices vary significantly depending upon travel dates, train number, class of service, etc.

Train schedule from UB to Beijing will also depend upon when you are traveling. At the present time, there are at least 2 trains per week. The #3/4 which departs Beijing on Sundays and the K23/24 which departs once a week during most of the year, usually on Saturdays, but sometimes during the summer on Tuesdays. See Partial Mongolian train schedule for one travel agency in UB's prices. Note that tickets will be less if purchased yourself at the train station, but since your time in UB will be limited, you may not have the option to buy them yourself.

Yes, you will need visas for Russia and for Mongolia. The Russian visa should be obtained in Malaysia unless you are a Beijing resident. The Russian visa is a bit complicated, since it isn't just the application and a fee. I suggest reading more about it in the New RU Sticky and then asking questions.

The Mongolian visa is more problematic. There is only an honorary consul in KL and I suspect that you can't get a visa there. That means that you will need to spend some time in Beijing, Irkutsk or Ulan Ude to obtain your Mongolian visa. Requirements for most European and North American passport holders are just the application and fees but you might need a Letter of Invitation from a travel agency or guest house.

Six days in UB really isn't enough time to get to the Gobi desert or Lake Khovsgul. Check out this thread for ideas of what to do with this limited amount of time: 7 days in Mongolia.

Overall, this will be an expensive trip. Trains won't be cheap. Visas are expensive. Also travel will take much longer than you imagine. Distances are much larger than most people realize.

Personally, since you would need a visa for both Russia and Mongolia and your time and budget are limited, I would suggest changing your plans and going either to Russia or to Mongolia but not to both. If you travel to Russia only, I would suggest taking the train there, traveling from Beijing to Harbin to Manzhouli, crossing the border, traveling from Zabaikalsk to Ulan Ude, stopping for a day or two, then Irkutsk for several days to visit Lake Baikal, then to Krasnoyarsk for a day or two and on to Novosibirsk. From Novosibirsk, you can fly back to Beijing.

Or Take the train to UB, spend time in UB, during your time in UB arrange a tour to the Gobi Desert for 5-6 days, if you still have time, then arrange another tour in Mongolia or if not, then return to Beijing. It takes an extra day to return via the local train, cross the border and the overnight bus but it is about half the price.

Ruth

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hi Ruth,
many thanks for your detailed reply.

i've just found out from a friend who visited mongolia that malaysian do need need visa for mongolia.
i would not have so much time to travel from beijing to manzhouli, i understand that will take up more travelling time, if i'm not wrong.

anyone have any idea the train time and fare for plats or 3rd class from irkutsk to ulan ude, for may 2010.

as with many other travellers, i found that the fare from beijing to UB is rather expensive. therefore i may consider going to erlian, even though that we need to spend an extra day.

as for UB to beijing, i may take the train to zamyn uud and onwards to erlian and beijing. does anyone know what is
train departing from UB to zamyn uud?
i remember i came across this forum, someone mentioned there's a daily train from UB to zamyn uud at 4pm, is that correct? if this is true, then i may not need to spend extra day because the train will arrive zamyn uud around 7am, and i can cross the border and take the bus to beijing, i will arrive at beijing on the second night.

for 6 days, i think i only have time to cover kharkorin, white lake and some sights along the way.

thanks

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anyone have any idea the train time and fare for plats or 3rd class from irkutsk to ulan ude, for may 2010.

Train times shouldn't change and are posted on the man in seat 61 site, time table

Prices won't be set until May 2010.

It will be cheaper and take less time to take the bus from UB to Ulan ude, Russia and then the train from there. International trains always cost more plus the train requires a long (5 hour) layover at the border. total time on the local passenger train which offers platskartney is over 40 hours compared to the bus which is 12-13 hours plus a train for 7-8 hours.

Regarding UB to Beijing. The direct train only takes 30-32 hours. There is a daily train UB, not sure what time it departs but it takes 15 hours. Border crossing is only open during the day and not on the weekends. Crossing will take some time. There is no daily train from the Chinese side, from Erlian. There are buses but they are 13 hours.

Honestly though in this direction i am not sure that the savings you might make are worth the time and inconvenience. The Mongolians don't add surcharges for foreigners as the Chinese do so you might was well take the direct train assuming that it operates on the day you want to depart. Even if the direct train doesn't operate, there are trains to Hohhot twice a week and you can take this train to Jining South and connect to Beijing.

Ruth

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Hi,

I wanted to find out if anyone has recent information on the availability of on arrival Chinese visa at Erlia/Erenhot on the Mongolian/Chinese border. Thanks.

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There is no Chinese visa on arrival. I have never heard of anyone actually obtaining a visa on arrival for China. OTOH some years ago there were reports that the Chinese were saying that this might be possible at this border but there were no actual reports of anyone actually obtaining a visa at the border.

In the meantime, since those reports, the Chinese have become somewhat more restrictive about obtaining visas outside the country of your passport or official residence.

Ruth

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