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While these topic has somewhat been done to death some of the info is a couple of years old...so i thought i'd add my piece and hope it helps someone else

i've been trying to get from beijing to ulaanbaatar, initially the train was our goal, but the prices quoted and limited date options were frustrating us. The best price we got quoted was US$270 per person, also leaves on wednesday, so one day less in beijing :(

flights were around $400 to UB, so that was ruled out based on price.

the beijing/erenhot bus, border crossing then train to UB was going to be 2 days at least assuming timing works. but sub ~100. so best budget option.

so...with a self imposed time limit based on poor planning it was looking kind of grim and the direct train was our best bet.

However after some searching an alternative came up (sorry cant recollect the original post author on thorntree, but thanks). Fly to erenhot, cross the border then up to UB. Even with last minute planning, it is reasonable price wise and time wise. We're still due to complete the journey, but on paper it looks fine haha

Flights booked for thursday leave beijing 11:55am, arrive erenhot 1:10pm (490Yuan per person including taxes, booked three days prior to travel), then we'll taxi/jeep/bus across the border. if all goes well should have time to catch the local mongolian train leaving for UB around 5:35pm, arrive in Ub 9:25am or thereabouts. If all goes to plan, will cost at least half the cost (or less) of the direct train and take marginally less time...but more moving parts, so more room for error...

The main concern i have read about is perhaps some difficulty buying train tickets once in Zamyn-Uud, any tips?

so any advice from worldly travellers, have i missed the bleeding obvious, any advice or tips to help make this work?

the plane is already booked so i guess we're committed either way, i'll post my findings post trip.

Cheers,
Toby

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To have a prayer of this working without having to stay in Zamyn Uud, you need speed from the time you land at Erlian airport until you get to the ZU train ticketing window.

Step 1: Transportation from airport to a "pre-" border where you get your jeep. The shuttle bus is cheaper but slower and takes you to the bus station in town, from whence you have to catch a taxi to the jeep-catching location. You'll eat up a precious extra 20 minutes doing it this way, longer if taxis by the bus station are all on lunch break and snoozing. Instead, from the airport, just take a taxi or private car (drivers usually sitting around offering). You can tell them "the border" which is as far as they are allowed to go. It's not really the border, as explained below. I got quotes of RMB 100 (total regardless of # of passengers) but you might be able to get it for RMB 80. For two of you by shuttle bus to town + shared taxi, the total would be more like RMB 50-60, so don't waste time over RMB 20-40! Elapsed time including getting out of airport terminal to this pre-border point, 50 minutes. The airport is 25 km from Erlian town center, which is a few km itself to this pre-border. It will now be about 14:00. Assuming your plan arrives on time.

Step 2: This place you will be dropped has a small rustic booth selling the Exit Permit for RMB 5. You must have one of these to get past Chinese immigration up the road. Buy.

Step 3: Watch the road for jeeps coming from Erlian that might have empty space. Often there's a local Chinese around helping flag them down and with the negotiation. Going rate seems to be in the RMB 40-50 per person range to get from your current location to Zamyn Uud. Payment normally at completion of journey. Hopefully you will not have to wait too long, lets say you get something within 15-20 minutes. It's now 14:20.

Step 4: Jeep will take you to Chinese Immigration Building and drop you while he has to take the jeep through Chinese Customs. You'll meet up with him on the other side. Get the license number and memorize driver's face! Inside, you'll fill out a departure card and hop in the fastest line which usually is Green Channel. The Red Channel is often very slow and full of Mongolians returning, loaded down with Chinese goods. It may take about 20 minutes to get through here if lines are short to moderate. Get stamped out of China and head out the back door to find your jeep. Let's say it's now 14:40. Note: This is why you don't want to take the public bus from Erlian to ZU if you are in a hurry: the bus has to get to the other side and then wait for ALL the passengers to clear and get back on. That waiting will sink your chances of making a same day train.

Step 5: Jeep will proceed over actual border and to the Mongolian Immigration Building where he'll drop you again and then do his Mongolian Customs shuffle. This is where there may be some time-snarfing waiting, especially if there are a lot of Mongolians returning at the same time. The Mongolians don't queue (even worse than the Chinese) and will push in, bring friends up, etc. You may have to be very aggressive if you want to get up to the Immigration agent! Let's be realistic and slightly optimistic and say it will take you 40 minutes. After getting stamped in, head out the back door to find your jeep. It is now 15:20. Same Note as above applies.

Step 6: Jeep will take you short distance to Z-U. Maybe he'll drop you off at ticket building (which I think is not actually at station building). Pay him the pre-agreed amount. It should now be about 15:30. Try to buy your ticket out for that afternoon's train. If lucky, you'll manage. If not, or if the entire border crossing process has taken so long that you miss the train, then try to get tickets for next morning's train, and find a place in ZU to stay for the night. They may or may not sell you tickets that afternoon for the following day.

It's a shame that this time of year, the Beijng-Erlian flight departs so late in the morning. When I did the border run April 2011, the flight was at 07:30 so all my hoop jumping including Mongolian Immigration, was done before noon.

If you do get stuck overnight in Z-U, or get exasperated during this silly crossing process, then just console yourself with how much money you're saving over the international train or the plane to UB.

Do report back when it's all done.

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I am planning a trip next year to Russia, Mongolia, China and eventually Taiwan. As part of my trip, I plan on taking the train from UB to Beijing and I was planning on taking international train #23 which departs UB at 7:15 on Thursday and arrives Beijing around 14:00 on Friday. I have been in touch with a travel agent in UB who can purchase the ticket for me and she quoted me a price in MNT, but when converted to USD, the price range is $95 to $160 depending on the class of service.

Why are you being quoted a fare of $270? Is it cheaper to travel from UB to Beijing as opposed to the other way around?

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thank you so much jiejie, i will be following your advice to the letter!!!! wish me luck haha, i thought it would be perhaps tight, but maybe not that tight...i have vague recollections of reading about a thursday evening train (is this a "manufactured" memory?). oh well, i look forward to it and hope it all runs smoothly, not the end of the world if we have to stay overnight, provided we do get to UB the following day :)

krish, yeah the price difference is quite surprising, i dont know the exact fares but seems almost half the price travelling UB to beijing rather than the other way around. The bit i got frustrated about was it seems to be a bit of a monopoly of agents that offer the ticket in beijing, and if you split the ticket up its about ~60us from beijing to the border then from the mongolian side to UB its ~40, so its a fairly large premium being added for the international border crossing. But thats the way it goes...

once again thanks for the tips, and i'll report back post border crossing. on a side note the mongolian tourist visa was incredibly easy to obtain in beijing. 495RMB, 1 day processing, we had visa form, sample 'made up' itinerary, passport photo, and not much else..(russian visa as proof of onwards travel). dropped visa 9am on monday picked up 4pm tuesday.

Thanks,
Toby

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I don't think your memory was manufacturing an additional Thursday evening train, as I recall the same. But not sure if it will be running on the very day you need it. At any rate, I think that as long as you get through the process and at least to ZU in the afternoon, you'll find a way to get to UB sometime the following day--just a question of whether it will be morning or evening. Even if it take a night in ZU.

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Jiejie,

Can you shed some light on my post? Is it cheaper to travel by train from UB to Beijing as opposed to the other way around?

Also, is there a significant difference in comfort level between 4 berth, 4 berth soft and 2 berth deluxe on the international train from UB to Beijing? Is it worth it to pay more for a higher class of service?

What about the toilet facilities on the international train? Are they the same in all the classes of service or is the toilet nicer in the 2 berth deluxe section?

Thanks.

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#5: Well, train #23 is the northbound BJ-UB so I presume you are really talking about train #24 which is the southbound UB-BJ. As to fares you are being quoted, they look really low, even though it is true the UB-BJ is normally cheaper than the other way around. First, get another set of quotes from another agent in either MNT or USD. And make sure that you are using absolutely correct current rates when you do your cost comparisons (www.xe.com has a nifty conversion tool)

As to class of service, I haven't done this specific journey so am not much help. I think #24 is a Chinese train, which I do know. My personal default position for budgetary reasons would be to go for the 4 berth soft (which I think is Chinese soft sleeper). Toilets: normally per carriage, 2 squats in hard sleeper (4 berth); 1 squat + 1 western in soft sleeper, and private western in each deluxe soft sleeper. I think the deluxes have a shower also. I prefer squat toilets in trains. But if you can afford the ticket for deluxe with private toilet and you are a frequent toilet user, heck yeah, go for it! If you can get a deluxe for $160 for this long journey, jump on it with conviction.

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#6:

Due to a medical condition, I am a frequent toilet user and although I am a budget conscious traveler, I am willing to splurge occasionally and so I will go for the deluxe especially if I can get it for $160.

In terms of the schedule that I received from Zaya hostel - my POC in UB - train #23 is a Chinese train that departs UB around 7:15 Thursday and arrives Beijing at 14:00 on Friday. Train #24 is a Mongolian train that departs UB at 7:15 on Friday and arrives Beijing Saturday afternoon.

Is the schedule that I received from Zaya Hostel incorrect?

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Odd-numbered trains are northbound. Even-numbered are southbound. Perhaps what you received is some sort of typo or misprint? Check around for other sources to get corroboration. Here's some to get you started, one each from a Mongolia, China, and Russian source:

http://viewmongolia.com/train_timetable.html
http://www.travelchinaguide.com/china-trains/international-schedule.htm
http://www.legendtour.ru/eng/mongolia/informations/train-schedule-in-ulaanbaatar.shtml

I'm pretty confident K24 is the correct number. As to whether it's a Chinese vs Mongolian train, it depends on time of year/date of your journey.

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Jiejie:

Actually, the schedule I received from Zaya Hostel listed the precise timing of the train: Depart UB at 7:15 on Thursday and arrive Beijing at 14:04 on Friday. Only the number was incorrect. Her schedule had it listed as 23 as opposed to 24. I had another question for you regarding actually booking tickets on the train from UB to Beijing:

I am planning this trip in late June and according to Zaya, tickets for that timeframe are sold out months in advance. She has advised me to book my tickets (using Paypal or Western Union to transfer money) either in January or February - at the latest. Do I really need to book this ticket that far in advance or do you think it is okay to wait until I arrive in UB and book the ticket (approximately one week prior to the date of travel).

Thanks.

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