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And your comment ("If you're so upset about having to get a visa, fly") was not a positive contribution!

I get sick of people who come here and post questions that suggest they just want to complain rather than seek help, which happens on fair occasion with visa questions like this.
If someone is going to come here and espouse their political opinions on the matter, such as how they think it's "ludicrous," then they should expect a response. If you don't want the response, don't make it political. Even the FAQ notes this:
>4. Be wary of mixing politics with tourism.
>This board is about visiting the USA, a big, diverse country of over 300 million people. "Is it safe in Alphabet City after dark?"; is a tourism question "Is it safe in Disneyland thanks to your war mongering president?" will probably get you a fight, and no helpful answers.

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The OP is upset that US laws don't apply radically different standards to people from rich countries than they do to poor countries, i.e., that they look for strong ties to home in either case. I for one would rather not see that kind of discrimination on the basis of national origin. In any case, like #11 suggests, the laws are what they are, and complaining about them is different from seeking advice on how to navigate them.

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OP, according to your own statistics we have deported about 7 or 8 Finns a year for the last 8 years. (It makes no sense to compare absolute numbers to Mexicao; many more Mexicans enter the US than Finns.)

Why does it surprise you that the US wants to make sure you won't be one of those seven or eight this year? Or, worse, one of those Finns, who must exist, who manage to work here illegally without being caught and deported?

I'm with bzookaj. You could solve your problem by flying and using the VWP. Alternatively, you could get a job.

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Let me make a practical suggestion. Most of the regular posters on this branch are Americans, who don't apply for visas, or people planning to come to the US on the VWP. Someone who has been denied a visa is not likely to be visiting this branch.

You might have more luck with your question on the Scandinavia branch. Just be sure to specify that you are posting on that Branch because you are looking for people who have experience in applying for US visas.

Have you verified that your freighter is not a "signatory carrier" for the VWP? Many are. List of signatory carriers

The affluence, or lack thereof, of a home country is not the only consideration in why a visitor would want to stay in the US instead of returning home. There are many reasons why someone might want to emigrate from Finland that have nothing to do with social conditions. A spouse, a fiancé(e), or family members in the US, for example.


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Don't forget the weather.

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Why does it surprise you that the US wants to make sure you won't be one of those seven or eight this year? Or, worse, one of those Finns, who must exist, who manage to work here illegally without being caught and deported?

Because, as i said before, it wouldn't be a problem if i would fly.

I'm with bzookaj. You could solve your problem by flying and using the VWP.

I made a mistake as i thought the visa wouldn't be a problem; the trip is already booked. So i could solve my problem and lose a thousand euros. Also the sailing is the whole point of this.

Alternatively, you could get a job.

This comment really doesn't surprise me. You know nothing about me, you don't know how much I've worked, don't know where I've been for the last years. You don't know my position. Everything you have said is about your feelings.

I get sick of people who come here and post questions that suggest they just want to complain rather than seek help, which happens on fair occasion with visa questions like this.

Now go through this thread and tell me who's been the one complaining.

If someone is going to come here and espouse their political opinions on the matter, such as how they think it's "ludicrous," then they should expect a response. If you don't want the response, don't make it political. Even the FAQ notes this:

  1. Be wary of mixing politics with tourism.
    This board is about visiting the USA, a big, diverse country of over 300 million people. "Is it safe in Alphabet City after dark?"; is a tourism question "Is it safe in Disneyland thanks to your war mongering president?" will probably get you a fight, and no helpful answers.

You really don't see the difference between criticizing a rule with that concerns traveling (what this forum is about), and criticizing the president? Of course you can see everything as politics because politics have far-reaching consequences. And after all if you thought that my text was political why didn't just say it, instead of starting to talk politics.

People say that there are many forums dominated by a few who spend all their time sharing their opinions. When i waded through some of the topics, i wondered if this was gonna happen to this thread. This was probably my last post on this forum, I've learned a lot about forum discussions. Or maybe I'll try the European side.

Let's try it this way: The last word is yours, my friend(s). I feel nothing but sympathy for you: I'm free to leave, you must stay.

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Stay where? The Forum? No, its people offering free advice to strangers. Stay in the USA? I dont think Finland is high on anyones list if they do leave..haha

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#16--

Nutrax explained why some freighters are different from airplanes and cruise ships. Have you thanked her?

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Some of you yanks are being extraordinarily touchy.

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Who and how, Tony?

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