Born American Canadian recently harassed by Homeland Security

Sorry, it's hard keeping track of all your BS.

#275 -- The section of the Carter order that you're quoting doesn't apply to you; it applied to aliens.

The relevant section comes later.

But what I was asking about was the citizenship determination boards that you mentioned. Tell us more about them.

Only one problem with that -- the US eliminated the draft in 1973. So no, there was no way that you would have been drafted, because there was no draft. Stop digging. The hole is only getting bigger.

I had to register for the draft in 1973. And was designated 4F (citizen outside the country). My re-entry into the country was subject to Executive Order 11967 since I was "apparently" in violation of the MSA. IOW they viewed with suspicion all expats in Canada of military age. I was right on the cusp of when the draft ended and when the war ended, certainly. I was viewed with suspicion for simply being a young man in Canada. But I am so pleased to know exactly what presidential decrees were involved...

I havent violated any US law at all by traveling on my Canadian passport

If you are a US citizen (and if you were born in the US has you claim to have been, then you are a US citizen), then you must enter and exit the US on US documents.

"Except as otherwise provided by the President and subject to such limitations and exceptions as the President may authorize and prescribe, it shall be unlawful for any citizen of the United States to depart from or enter, or attempt to depart from or enter, the United States unless he bears a valid United States passport."

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/usc_sec_08_00001185----000-.html

I had to register for the draft in 1973.

That's a lie, given what you said previously. You were caught, and now you're changing your story.

I must give you credit, though. I'm moving you back into the Crazy Person camp. You're a bit too whacked out to be just a troll.

I had to register for the draft in 1973. And was designated 4F (citizen outside the country).

You only got classified 4-F after failing a physical (and mental and "moral" i.e. sexual orientation) exam.

Aliens and dual nationals were 4-C.

If you were 4-C you would never have gotten a draft notice and would never have been classified as a draft evader, and so would never have been pardoned or needed a pardon.

Tell us about those citizenship determination boards, OK?

I can now say with the full force of Executive Order 11967, January 21, 1977 that I havent violated any US law at all by traveling on my Canadian passport.

No, it says that you can say you never had your citizenship revoked nor had to go to jail when you returned.
As of 1994 when the law was put into place, thus superseding any law enacted beforehand, US citizens needed to use a US passport to enter the US. The "great researcher" simply proved that you are still a US citizen, and thus are bound by law to use a US passport to enter the US.

You're a bit too whacked out to be just a troll.

Why do they have to be mutually exclusive?

Tell us about those citizenship determination boards, OK?

Why do they have to be mutually exclusive?

Trolls aren't sincere. Nutcases genuinely believe things that aren't true, even when those things are contradictory.

I sort of get the feeling that he means it.

You people are nuts. That's all I can say. Vinny I dont care what number letter variant classification I was,,, it had to do with me being a US citizen not in the country, I wasnt 4C since I wasnt a Canadian citizen at the time. If I was 4F as I remember,,,, it's probably because the bean pushers figured that any US citizen who decided to live outside the US must be nuts. Sort of the mentality of you all...

As far as my interpretation of the relevant paragraph goes, it coincides with the application as I faced it. My Canadian passport clearly indicates my age and the city I was born. I was definitely born in the US and I was definitely traveling on a Canadian passport. No problem. How I ended up doing that was a process that took over 35 years to develop, when I was an adult US Canadian immigrant, through to becoming a naturalized Canadian citizen to the present.

I was of the same era as the Vietnam war and there was much acrimony about draft dodgers, if you remember. But not only that there were many people being pursued because of their political activities. Many many people came to Canada either as felons or simply as refugees tired of the blacklists and persecution. But simply because they came to Canada does not mean they stopped their activities against the Vietnam war and/or US foreign policy in general -- there was much to protest over the decades. There were determination boards exercising presidential decrees with the mandate of investigating activities under the guise of screening young people of military age -- so they could determine if they were desirables or not. If they were declared clean, they were allowed to enter the US.

The 10s of thousands of people who entered Canada and over extended their visitor status were all given amnesty and immigration status by the Trudeau govt. Therefore, they were given the choice of becoming Canadian citizens. I suspect that clause 3 under the Jimmy Carter exec order was referring to that cohort. Nevertheless, it included me since the language says that it includes people even suspected of breaking the MSA, ie any young man of military age residing in Canada, and probably Norway, and any other place where Americans were escaping to.

Now, as I strain my brain to remember those tumultuous days there was suspicion not only from+ the US government, but suspicion +of the US government's intentions with these boards. And high on the list it was suspected that it was to conform and submit and repent your anti war activities or lose citizenship. That was the prevailing view of the time. Many decided not to submit,,,, and since I was caught in the same net I too said FU that wont do. So collectively we all faced that risk. It had nothing to do with draft dodging per se,,, but being politically active...

Anyway,,, isnt it fun going down memory lane?