91 days in the US- solution?

Hi everyone. I think the ticket I've booked is accidentally 91 days (9 oct-7 jan). I think the 7th Jan is the 91st day- how are the days calculated? I'm presuming the day I arrive and the day I leave are both calculated? I don't want to mess around with US immigration- is the only solution to change my ticket (which will cost £100)? Thanks so much!

Assuming for a brief moment that your enquiry is genuine, I think you're fine. The day of arrival is the zeroeth day, and in your case, the 90th day is 7 January.

1 day is not going to be an issue anyway...nobody will notice either...

Assuming you don't know how to calculate using the Julian calendar (I did that to find the time between dates when I wrote computer programs but that was decades ago and I couldn't do it now), you can find lots of Web sites that do the same thing by doing a search on calculate time between dates. Voila. The elapsed time would be 90 days.; http://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?d1=09&m1=10&y1=2013&d2=07&m2=01&y2=2014

Thanks for your help! That calendar says its 90 days not including the end date though- that's what I was worried about. Does that not count?

I don't know what countries' passport you are carrying (U.K. since you mention pounds?).

I do know though from research about the crazy visa system we have in the U.S. to help let foreign friends know what to expect when visiting that even in visa waiver countries the "allowed length of stay" is established upon arrival and not set in stone. I've seen 60- 90- and 120-day allowances given to friends who have visited.

My suggestion is to show the INS officer your return airline ticket upon arrival. If your allowed length of stay is not sufficient they will most likely tell you to change your ticket.

NO it is a common misconception that the first day is not included. We've discussed this earlier in this thread and I presented proof that both first/last day are included, so you get 89/90 days depending on how you count it. Here is picture proof again. Take a look at your passport Ian and you should see the same for your last visit.

Please see the thread above for an in depth discussion about this exact question and ideas to get around it. In short, I would NOT attempt to enter the US for 91 days. There is a small risk you won't even be allowed to board your plane in Europe.

Oh, and it is nonsense that you can get 120 days on a visa waiver.

Mad Max ... I think you're right.

We entered on 5 May (Day 1) and our visa stamp says we must leave by 2 August, which is 90 days according to Excel. So - the arrival day and the departure day are counted in the 90 days. Maybe the OP does have an arithmetical problem.

The stamp I have in my passport is may 31- aug 29 2011, which unless I'm missing something is 91 days if you include the end date..

Edited by: bc3000

Hmm ... 5 May (mine) to 31 May (yours), you add 26 days. But 2 Aug to 29 Aug, you add 27 days (to get to your 91). Perhaps the good folk at Immigration aren't quite clear on how to calculate it either - or at least not consistently!

Might have changed since 2011? I believe it was 91 days back in the early 2000's. Then for quite a while they tended to not stamp your passport, they just stamped your I-94. Now that the I-94 is out of the picture, they're back to stamping your passport. I've seen 4 passports with 2013 stamps, from different US entry points, and all had 90 days (not 91). Make that 5 with Ian's.

OP, please see the other thread for suggestions. Specifically, in your situation, I'd do the following: If flight arrives close to midnight, wait until after midnight to go through immigration. If you want to break your US journey to go to Costa Rica, Colombia, etc for a week, that would solve your problem. Otherwise, just pay the fee to have your ticket changed. If you can change your ticket after you've flown into the US, you could wait until your passport is stamped and you've had a chance to talk to the CBP officer to decide what to do. In such case, I'd suggest that you book a refundable return ticket for < 90 days in the future (so you don't risk being ineligible for the VW), then ask the CBP officer whether you would be allowed to stay 91 days or not... show him your old stamps that apparently allowed you 91 days. Post back here what happens :)

Regardless of what you do, make sure you have an outbound ticket within 90 days when you board your US-bound flight in Europe since there is a small risk you will be denied boarding otherwise. You can book a refundable ticket that you later cancel.