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CUBA Call In Days - May 1 & 2 - For all you YanksCountry forums / Cuba / Cuba | ||
I received an email from the Pastors for Peace (inside) asking people (that is, American people) to let your Congressional Representative know that you appreciate their support of, or would like them to support: HR654 (the Rangel/Flake bill) and S721 (the Enzi/Baucus bill). | ||
We are writing to urge you – and everyone in our national IFCO/Pastors for Peace network – to be | 1 | |
Really, nothing these flakes are doing is having an effect on the current and/or future travel plans of Americans into Cuba. | 2 | |
I would not say that is totally true. Definitely, people who are determined to go have no trouble going, once they've decided they want to. But there is a HUGE percentage of the (clueless) public that doesn't realize they can easily ignore the ban and go if they please. Many Americans (again, the clueless) don't even realize that our neighbors to the North visit Cuba in droves. Once the ban gets lifted, many Americans will visit Cuba who would have never tried to with the ban in place. | 3 | |
#3, you're quite new to this discussion, my advice to you is to find some Cuban Americans outside of Miami who put little or no faith into this annual event by the congress and senate to lift the sanctions against Cuba. Most CAs' like myself are very cynical and view this as nothing more than politics. | 4 | |
Americans? I presume you refer to North Americans from the United States? | 5 | |
I don't think people living in the three mainland countries of North America think of themselves as "North Americans". I don't. There are Mexicans in Mexico, Americans in the United States, and Canadians in Canada - although Canada is quickly being sold by our Bush-alike PM to the US. | 6 | |
Most CAs' like myself are very cynical and view this as nothing more than politics. | 7 | |
As Jim said so well, there have been many changes that make this latest attempt more likely of success than the ones that preceded it. Political change never occurs unless there is a persistency on the part of the minority to sway enough of the majority to their side of the issue. If this were the first attempt to lift the embargo through legislation then it would probably be doomed to failure even with the shift in Democrats and Republicans in office. If there had not already been many attempts to lift this embargo through legislation then this current effort would have no "shoulders to stand on". | 8 | |
So happy that #5 &6 brought up the subject of North Americans / Norte Americanos. Cubans seem to have created or adapted to terms that make no sense beyond their own very narrow perspective. I'm rather tempted to create a bilingual T-shirt with "I'm a North American " Canadian Flag "Soy Norte Americano" inscriptions. | 9 | |
And who doesn't perceive the term "North America" to refer to all the countries north of the Rio Grande? Is it just me? | 10 | |
It's not just Cubans who refer to people from the US as "Norte Americanos", so don't blame it on Cubans' "narrow perspective". I've heard it lots from Central Americans too. Many people in Central America and South America do think of themselves as living in "Las Americas" and NO, they do not mean everyone who's living both the US and Canada. I don't know what they think it gains them to think of themselves as living in "the Americas" and therefore also being "Americanos", but it definitely bugs some people. It doesn't translate well into English, but that's why some use the word "Estadounidense"? And you hear it from Spanish speakers other places in "the Americas" besides Cuba. | 11 | |
I think there is a point that Cubans are trying to make that you have turned your usual blind ear to, David. Their question is what makes the citizens of the USA so presumptuous as to think that they own the term "America" when everyone else needs to further define it, e.g. Central, South, etc.. Isn't Cuba also a part of the "Americas"? | 12 | |
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This is simply a matter of usage, NOT geography. AMERICANS means "people of the USA," even Canadians embrace this usage. I have heard this Canadian protest, and asked people from South America is they are "Americans," and its obviously a non-starter. | 14 | |