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Hi Thorn Tree Readers-

As a 12 year veteran of travelling and living abroad with the bulk of time spent in Latin America, it pains me to have to write a post like this but I think we all know (as I do now, even more so) that you can NEVER be too careful.

Here is the version with most pertinent facts:

Boyfriend and I flew to Nica for 9 days in San Juan del Sur area. I am fluent in spanish, which we know is helpful. Driving from Managua to San Juan we were stopped by police in our rental car at a highway junction for not using a turn signal to go around a slower car. Forget that no one else uses turn signals (or any other traffic rules) there, that's not the point (check out Managua; NO street signs and very few traffic lights...organized chaos!). The policia asked me to surrender my license, because he needed to "send it to Managua and would in turn give me an official report slip with his badge #, etc etc, instead". I told him I was not giving it to him b/c I could not re-enter my country without it. After about 10 minutes of some don't-give-me-that-bullshit gazing on both parties' behalf, he let us drive off.
Case in point- a friend in the US warned me this might happen, so I was prepared. Do not give anyone your license, it is a lie- they do not need to retain it...and do NOT bribe him to let you go, unless you really see a major threatening situation starting and are desperate. I have read that we as tourists should not facilitate that system whenever possible and I totally agree.

Spent entire stay at rented house in Balcones de Majagual, found through Aurora Real Estate in San Juan del Sur. They were fine to work with. The house was really exquisite and worth the $$ paid. Wildlife everywhere and good access to beaches. What I did not understand until I was physically there is how remote it is; 15 K down an unlit, bumpy dirt road through the jungle-like terrain, and there are local families/farms interspersed in the land surrounding you. I personally find the entire concept of the development that is going in those hills very disturbing if you understand poverty in latin america, and I think problems lie ahead for people that move there, or even rent the houses as tourists, like we did. Nothing happened to us in the house, but after another incident that occurred (described below) I was terrified of sleeping there anymore. It occurred to me ('scuse me if this is a big DUH, but I have always been safe and lucky in my traveling) that tourists, wealthy or not, staying in houses with no guards and screens for walls in the middle of forests in Central Am. is a really dangerous concept.
There are a couple of eco-developments now under construction there, all by the same builder/architect team and the whole purpose is to have privacy and architecture that is very united with natural surroundings-- http://www.balconesdemajagual.com/ Believe me, it is beautiful, peaceful, and very enchanting. One of the most remarkable places I have ever stayed, and pretty posh for jungle living. Nonetheless, you could VERY easily be robbed or even attacked in your sleep if motivated thieves were to stake you out. You feel like "no one is around you", which is the point to "getting away", but that is also the inherent problem. Locals know that place like the back of their hands, and there are a few bad seeds out there that could so easily gain access through the screen walls of the house at any time.
I have never been one to stay in expensive resorts, and I know Piedras y Olas in town has been mentioned by other bloggers here, but if I ever return to San Juan that is the only place I would stay, because the security is there 24/7 (The food in their restaurant also happens to be fantastic if you want to splurge). I hate to say that though, because I have always felt- with my backpacker roots- that you miss out on a lot of the local culture staying in walled-in resorts. However, as I will account below, there is a reason for those resorts to exist:

On our last afternoon there, we went to Playa Yanqui to catch a final day and sunset at the beach. We ultimately decided to go to Playa El Coco/La Flor, where there is a protected preserve where turtles nest. It is out of the high season for this, so we really just went to see the beach itself, although 2 travel guides (no naming here, ok?) recommend going around 9 p.m.- which astounds me now- to try to catch turtles coming out of the water. An ex-pat Canadian we met while walking on the beach had lived there for 9 years and loved El Coco, but said Yanqui had been prone to robberies recently.
My boyfriend and I started walking down the beach, to a beautiful outcropping of rocks at the end. If you travel around those rocks, there is another beach on the other side, and so on and so on. There are multiple beaches connected by rocks you can cross over. Absolutely gorgeous, and you can see beautiful rocks sculpted by the surf.

We caught the sunset, and started walking back to our car, parked by a restaurant/hospedaje. There was plenty of light. As we headed over the last 2 rocks outcroppings, we heard some yelling from the jungle hills behind us, like men cat-calling to a woman. We were between one set of rocks and about to climb over the last one to get back to the main beach. Suddenly, I heard footsteps running behind us and turned around. Next comes a moment I will never forget, and I still shake writing these words since it was less than 2 days ago that it happened.
When we turned around, 2 teenage boys with t-shirts tied over their heads/faces, a la guerrilla-warfare soldier style, were running toward us with large knives. We started screaming and backed away but the were rocks behind us and we were trapped. They were making stabbing motions and we tumbled to the ground. I think one was pulling on me to get down in the sand, and the other stood over my boyfriend, who threw himself on top of me and put himself between me and the knife. Definitely a moment where you think, within a quarter-second's time, "all of my traveling, my adventures, my experiences...and now here is a moment I hoped would never come. We are going to die here, right now." It was absolutely tragic. Being on your back, with large daggers being held over your body, waiting for them to be plunged into your flesh...well, there is really no way to translate that experience unless you are ever in a situation like that.

I felt one of the guys rummaging through the backpack on my back, and I started to realize they just wanted money. As I tried to get out of the straps to give it to him, he found my boyfriend's wallet and showed it to the other guy. Having found what they really wanted, they immediately ran off and scrambled up into the hills and disappeared in seconds. Stunned, we scrambled over the rocks and ran the 500 yards or so back to our car. In open space, with people out on the beach, we had been seconds away by foot but were completey staked out and ambushed. We realized the cat-calls we heard earlier had been from guys in the hills signaling to their buddies, the attackers, that we were coming- it was a big set up. We ran to our car and sped the 20 or so minutes down yet another now dark, dirt road away from the beach back to San Juan. In the week that we had been there, the thought of someone jumping out of the woods and attacking our car never seemed more possible until then. I now saw danger in every corner.

We were leaving the next morning, and had to depart early from San Juan. We were absolutely too freaked out to drive down La Chocolata at that point, the 15 K we always drove in the dark to get to our house in Balcones de Majagual. Fortunately, a wonderful woman from Boston who lives and works in town took us in for the night- we had coincidentally met her the night before. We returned very quickly to our house at sunrise and packed our things quickly to make our flight back to the US.

There was no time to file a police report, and I was ready to get the hell out of Nicaragua anyway. Would it even matter? We found out later that we had been in a national preserve which was supposedly guarded by the state army. I beg to differ. Sadly, I feel my love affair with Latin America was been severly dampened for a while, and I am just so thankful that my boyfriend and I escaped with only a missing wallet. We had our keys to the car, and our physical selves intact, although I had a very painful right elbow which I thought sustained a fracture when I was shoved to the ground, but it is getting better now.

If you are traveling to Nicaragua, please, please remember this story. I can say now that I did have a weird vibe from almost my initial entry into the country that I never felt anywhere before in Latin America. It felt to me like the tourism and the locals were incongruent somehow, and I feel that they are building so fast in San Juan, and there seems to be an underlying resentment as the socio-economic disparity grows. Our friend from Boston who helped us that night has had a totally different experience, and felt the locals were friendly and welcoming. I did not. I missed the smiles and the openness I have felt in other countries; it seemed to be vacant in Nicaragua.

I know we all return with different experiences, and I hope yours is better. I knew I had angels watching over my shoulders in prior years of travel, so in some ways I felt like eventually something like this was going to happen, somewhere, and it did. I have always enjoyed traveling off the beaten path, and sometimes there is a price you pay for that. Thankfully, we left with our lives.

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First off all, you have been traveling for 12 years, and your 1st post on the LP? Why so long?

Your profile say you reside in Nicaragua? Please explain?

Had you read the warning about Nicaragua on this forum, regarding both Rental Cars and shakedowns by police, you could have been prepared.

Now, concerning your surrendering your license, why can't you? You need to have your Passport to re-enter your country, not your drivers license. For all the reasons you state, I always advise people to NOT rent a car in Nicaragua, and I have at least 1000 post saying that over the years.

In regards to the attack, by boys with Machetes most likely, yes, there have been reports from time to time in both Nicaragua SJDS area, and also in Costa Rica on the Caribe side, of such attempts or robbery. Going to desolate areas unescorted is a risk you take anywhere. And taking your wallet and money on a hike is even more risky. I never go out the door in Central America with more than my money for the day, a copy of my Passport, and maybe my camera.

All your observations about SJDS and the into Gringo resentment have been simmering there for a few years, and has also been posted on this forum for a few years, almost monthly, and came to a boil with the arrest and conviction, and near riot, of Eric Volz, accussed wrongfully of raping and killing his ex Nica girlfriend. There is also resentment, rightfully so, against all the development on this coast, mainly gringo land grabs, and forcing the locals out of the market. I never liked SJDS, not for the reason you mention at all, but its a hot dull town, its not tropical, the beaches suck in town, and compared to Costa Ricas worst beach towns, its a damn town best to skip.

As far as putting a sour taste in your mouth about Latin America, thats too bad. You were in one the poorest countries in the western hemisphere, second to last to Haiti, unemployment is 50%, average wage is $2 day. And you come to Nicaragua spending more on your flight than they make in a year, and rent a car, that 99.8% of the country can not do, with a Passport that 98% of the country can not obtain, and wonder what went wrong, poverty is not always the best playground, so be prepared for such bumps in the road.

Not filing a police report is a big mistake.

Your emotions have got the best of you- As Nicaragua is far more welcoming and warm than just about anywhere in the USA- Per Capita it is the most safe country in the Americas, including North America. Nicaragua has some of the most genuine and sincere people I have ever met. Did you go anywhere else? Ometepe? Leon? Granada? Or did you just go to SJDS, the most touristy place in the country? I hitch hiked portions, and met some fantastic people.

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I just read a post about someone who had money stolen out their room, and everyone said "you are an idiot for leaving valuables in your room". Then I read SoloHobo's post here saying "you are an idiot for taking your valuables with you".

So, where is this mythical safe place that a person can leave their stuff and not be called an idiot by the rest of the posters here?

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Ooo - very scary, glad it wasn't worse. Thanks for sharing.


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SoloHobo-

  1. I have enjoyed the thorn tree since it's near inception- I have never had a scary incident to report, and have shared positivities about living elsewhere.
  2. You do not need to explain to me that I spent more flying to Nicaragua than people make in x amount of time depending on their income/job. That is an irrelevant statement to this entire situation.
  3. I have hitchhiked, and I have helped hitchhikers. I picked up a hitchhiker while in San Juan and found one particular boy to be very helpful with some questions I happened to have that day. The question is, why does doing this make someone a tougher traveler? I don't know about your perception of safety, but it's common sense that it's a risky activity although we all have done it at some point, possibly.
  4. If you want to excuse the activity of a thief because I decide to carry a backpack that's up to you. Common sense tells you not to carry all your valuables around on a daily basis. If I decide to carry water in a sack on my back and THAT is an attraction for crime, that is a problem of humanity and is an unfortunate reality. I could care less about the small amount of stolen cash; it's the feeling that I was about to be maimed or murdered that is hard to digest.

I could go on listing some answers to your questions, but won't. If you have been sexually assaulted by a Colombian man, surprise attacked by 2 guys with large daggers, and had people you know kidnapped, let's swap stories. Until then, don't peddle the righteous traveler attitude on me. Some people decide to prevail and continue to travel despite these occurences, but for now I have had my fill. There is a reason Eric Volz has experienced the degree of horrifying experience he has, and it's due to the corruption of Latin America which is a fact we all face when we decide to spend time there. I also believe he is innocent, and find the chain of events of his case as completely unsurprising. I also recognize the negative influence of the US on Central America, which greatly shapes peoples lives, incomes, and perceptions of North Americans. My sister is married to a Guatemalan who will not travel there with her, with the exception of the one time they went so she could see the farm he was raised on and meet his family. He will not allow someone he loves to have their safety compromised. For some people, their safety is all that matters when they know what it is like to have it taken away.

The day we went to El Coco, I had three people tell me how to get there (2 locals and another traveler) and 2 guidebooks tell me to go around 9 p.m. Additionally, an expat stood on the beach and pointed us in the direction of another beautiful beach around the corner, where the said event happened.
It's hard not to feel a lack of trust. Think about it before you criticize.

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I've dealt with a lot with victims of all types of crime and one of the tragedies is how a few seconds of a criminal act by another person can cast a huge shadow over the victim's previous and future pleasure and enjoyment of a place or destination, and sometimes even life itself.. The type of statistics that Solohobo is quoting are irrelevant to a victim- they don't care that one place is statistically safer than another or that most people are actually honest and nice when they have just been robbed at knife point. It doesn't matter to you that flying is by far the safest way to travel if you are hurtling towards the ground with the engines on fire. Some people never enjoy their homes again if they have been burgled, many would rather have an insurance payout than get a stolen car back, most don't return to the scene unless they have to.

My advice to you would be that if you let those few seconds destroy your enjoyment of past memories or future experiences then the criminal has robbed you twice, and he really only wanted your money. Solohobo would have got robbed exactly the same as you did because they had no idea as to the amount of cash or valuables you had on you when they attacked. When people do stupid things that make them vulnerable then they can kick themselves for a long time after and hopefully learn a valuable lesson. I can't see what you could have done differently, you were just unlucky victims and your true strength will be in how quickly you can put it behind you.

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According to the Nic Times, local cops have been able to purchase RPG launchers with grenades at local markets. No one is going to pull a machete on someone carrying an RPG--well maybe once. Just a thought.

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I always carry a nice walking stick I pick for both a weapon and a crutch.

You have been using the TT since inception, and this is the way you share? Where have you been helping people on this TT.

At least we all know when you post from now on, something bad has happened.

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Mr. SoloHobo,
I think you are struggling with the fact that people are using this forum to write their true experiences and their opinions, when they don't align with yours. This forum should not be used as a podium for argument, because that becomes more negative than anyone writing about an unfortunate incident that happened to them.

Thank you for the advice about having a walking stick at my side. Next time someone ambushes me with a machete I will ask them use to whittle a small parrot for me that I can take home as a souvenir....

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I am only pointing out the fact, you manage to come on use this forum to post a negative ordeal, so yes, had you used the forum since its inception, you could have avoided the issues you had with the police, and find even more odd that you claim to have been traveling in Nicaragua for so long, and the police shakedown at roadsides is new to you, its common knowledge, why now?

For someone that has spent so much time in Nicaragua and Central America, why are you shocked to see a boy or a man carrying a machete, knife or blade, as its as a common tool for a male to carry around in rural CA as a you and I a cell phone? Do you not know the risks of going off the beaten path?

And lastly- why are you just now posting on this LP TT Forum, if you have been here since inception?

Otherwise, thanks for your posting of this ordeal, but the episode could have happened anywhere in CA.

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