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HI all... does this work?
Day 1 arrive entebbe / sleep entebbe or Kampala area (sleep hotel)
Day 2 Visit Entebbe for a short tour... (hotel)
Day 3 drive to Kibale / (sleep lodge or tents)
Day 4 chimp trek kibale (lodge or tents)
Day 5 drive to QENP (lodge or tents)
Day 6 visit QENP (lodge or tents)
Day 7 drive to Bwindi fores (lodge or tents)
Day 8 gorilla trek (arrange with tour company in advance to insure this date is available -- is this a sure thing if we book with a good group?) (sleep lodge or tents)
Day 9 leave early AM from Bwindi, cross border to Rwanda, then drive to Kigali airport to catch afternoon flight to another country we are visiting...

A few questions:
If we leave early enough, how long would it take to get from the camps/lodges around Bwindi, over the border with Rwanda to the Kigali airport? Can that border crossing hold us up? Is it ever closed? How early does it open? How long does a border crossing take from Uganda to Rwanda? We are US citizens so we dont need a Rwanda visa, I also assume this means less hassle in general
How long is the drive from Kibale to Bwindi if we chose to skip QENP?
Is QENP so amazing we should not skip?
thanks!

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If you can put my previous response behind us, I think I can help here.

  1. Entebbe is a sleepy little town. Nothing wrong with it, but probably not worth a day of exploring. If you spend two nights in the area, I suggest one in Kampala. (Some great restaurants and nightlife.)
  2. If you are going on safari in Serengeti, then QENP is easily skipped. You could still drive through it without having to pay park fees.
  3. Genocide Memorial in Kigali is worth a visit. Planning on one night in Kigali would allow time for this, and remove your timing concerns about the border crossing and catching your flight.

Peace,

BB

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Your questions about Kigali and the border depend greatly on if you have a car.... with a car that border can be slow. Public transport, on the other hand, is generally a bit faster.

I don't know the best way to arrange this from Bwindi, I do know it's 2 hours from the Border to Kigali, and six hours from Kampala to Kigali on a luxury bus.

Sorry I don't have more specific information for you!

Andrew

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BigBri - sorry for my previous reaction. Thanks for this. Which service offers the luxury bus? The Jaguar bus sounds painful... actuallly, skip that please... I am pasting an article below about the busses I just foud -- sounds scary! What if we drove to the border then walked across and met another car on the other side? Is that feasible?
Also, does anyone know what time it opens, how long the various wait times can be? Is there a fast lane? So if it is two hours to Kigali from the border, does anyone know how long it is from Bwindi to the border? Thanks everyone!.. here is the article from the blog:


We last left you guys with us boarding the bus to Kigali, Rwanda. When we were originally planning our trip, this seemed like a great idea. The Lonely Planet had all the info, it was quite cheap (only about $20!!) and quite convenient. Much cheaper than flying! So we thought all was good.

We got the first hint that things weren't all that rosy when we told Watoto where we were going next.

"So where will you be heading next?"
"Kigali"
"Ah - wonderful. What time will your plane be leaving"
"Uh well - we're actually catching a bus".

Our friendly driver visibly paled. A difficult thing to do when one is African. "A bus? Are you sure?"
"Uh - yes? "
"Oh - ok then". Our driver looked rather worried, as though he wanted to say something but couldn't quite work out the best way to say it.
"Is everything ok?" Catherine as usual was being empathetic and tried to help the poor man out.
"Well - the bus is not always very safe. They drive very fast, and many times there are accidents. Better for you to go by plane"

We had pretty much ruled out the plane option by this time. Apart from the fact that we loathed Air Kenya, we were also pretty sure that we would not be able to get a ticket at this late notice, and we had to be in Kigali in the next two days for a meeting with Compassion.

Asking around, we determined that there were safer (apparently!) companies with a better reputation for safety rather than speed. So we picked Regional, over Jaguar, which is the Lonely Planet recommended one. We also discovered that just last week, the government had forced the bus companies to install speed governors in all buses, so that they would be unable to exceed the speed limit of 80kmh. Peachy!

So finally they day came for our appointment with the bus. We were feeling pretty good about it all, even though the Watoto crew were obviously not too thrilled about it. Sitting at the bus station (think big dirt car park with a small tin shed, with lots of plastic chairs scattered around, and no floor, and you've got the bus station). The bus then proceeded to be 3 hours late!! So we sat and sat and sat. I finished the novel that I'd packed for the journey. I'd gone shopping twice to replenish food supplies. Hate waiting for buses.

But it finally came (yay!) We were a bit less than impressed with the 'luxury' bus. Even though it had 'Air conditioned' proudly painted on the front, the myriad open windows gave us a better hint of things to come. Scrambling on, we got ourselves some great seats (right behind the driver) and settled in for our 8 hour trip.

The next 8 hours are a bit of a blur. I vaguely remember Catherine gripping my hand tightly and insisting that I wear a seatbelt (a first for us in 3 months!). Our somewhat insane bus driver must have mistaken the bus for a 4 wheel drive, so rapidly did he attack the numerous bumps and ravines that pitted the road. I think he saw each of these obstacles as another challenge on which to test the poor creaking bus. Corners loomed at us at far-too-fast speeds as he attempted to get our bus to ride on just two wheels. And certainly he did not display any ability to stick to his side of the road. Any time he saw ANYBODY on the road, or next to the road, or hey, even on the next road, he would blare the horn at them, and hold it down.

And then we got to the mountainous curves. Certainly there was no need to stop, slow down, or even remotely attempt to watch out for oncoming traffic. Someone coming in the opposite direction and you're on the wrong side? No problem - blare that horn and keep driving and laugh as the cowed driver swerves for cover!! I am sure that we faced certain death a hundred times that day, our angels working overtime to keep the bus upright and heading in the right direction (neither up nor down but horizontally)

Best bit was when we got stopped by the cops. As the driver got out, the copilot gave him some cash, the driver had a chat with the cops, I'm certain some cash exchanged hands, and we were allowed to proceed. However, he probably didn't give them enough cash - one of the cops got onto the bus, showed us all the speed radar (which indicated 118 - it was a 80km zone), and proceeded to lecture us in Lugandan. No idea what he was saying, but the word 'governor' popped up once or twice. I suspected rather archly that there was no governor installed on the bus in spite of the government's attempts to do so. Or it had been removed.

We finally crossed the border into Rwanda. It's amazing what a difference you see in the landscape as you cross the border. There is definitely a reason why they call it the land of a 1000 hills. Very pretty. But you're not really thinking about that when you've got a mad driver at the wheel.

We finally arrived in Kigali, 4 hours late. (given that this was an 8 hour bus ride that's bad even for Africa!). The reason - apparently they are using computers to process the visas and everything takes twice as long. Go figure.

But the best bit about arriving in Kigali was that there was a complete power blackout!! So we arrived in the middle of an unknown city, it was pitch black, nobody spoke English, and we had no idea how to get to the hotel!!

We'll continue this story in our next blog.

A final note: although we survived this trip, unfortunately 2 days later the next bus from Kampala to Kigali crashed and all 60 passengers were killed. Such a waste of life and so preventable. For those of you thinking of attempting the trip - we would highly recommend the planes - air kenya is excellent :)

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One last note - we dont have time for Serengeti since we want to see another region such as sudan or ethiopia for our second week... this is why we were re-considering QENP
thanks!

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Road travel in Africa can be dangerous, especially at night. I would not hesitate to take the day bus from Kampala to Kigali, but given your time frame, having your own vehicle might make more sense.

Two weeks in Africa is not a lot of time. Ethiopia deserves much more time, and I suggest saving it for a later trip. Matching a Kenya or Tanzania safari with your time in Uganda may be a better plan. (QENP is getting better, but it is still not comparable.)

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thanks... do you (or does anyone) know the answers to some of these questions?

What if we drove from Bwindi to the Rwandan border then walked across and met another car on the other side? Is that feasible?
Also, does anyone know what time that border opens, how long the various wait times can be? Is there a fast lane? So if it is two hours to Kigali from the border, does anyone know how long it is from Bwindi to the border?

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HI all... does this work?
Day 1 arrive entebbe / sleep entebbe or Kampala area (sleep hotel)
Entebbe for one night. Depending on when your flight lands, visit the botanical gardens, sunset / dinner at Goretti's. Thats all you can
do.
Day 2 Visit Entebbe for a short tour... (hotel)
Day 3 drive to Kibale / (sleep lodge or tents)
Its a 5 hour drive from Entebbe (if you dont get stuck in morning traffic) Many backpackers or lodges in area.
Day 4 chimp trek kibale (lodge or tents)
Primate Lodge is good.
Day 5 drive to QENP (lodge or tents)
Ishasha is a must - I always use Ishasha Wilderness Camp which is down south in the Ishasha section. If to ocostly, then try
Ishasha Ntugwe Lodge. www.treelionsafarilodge.com
Day 6 visit QENP (lodge or tents)
Day 7 drive to Bwindi fores (lodge or tents)
1 1/2 hour drive from southern sector of park to Bwindi. Depends on what type of accom you want?? I always use a lodge.
There is a camp site right there, at Buhoma.
Day 8 gorilla trek (arrange with tour company in advance to insure this date is available -- is this a sure thing if we book with a good group?) (sleep lodge or tents) I woudl definitely pre book permits. Never arrive and assume you will get. ALso depends which part of
park you intend to stay at and trek from ??
Buhoma, Ruhija, Nikoringo - which area is NB. YOu need to decide so that you are not driving around looking for permits.
This way you will enjoy the experience much more.
Day 9 leave early AM from Bwindi, cross border to Rwanda, then drive to Kigali airport to catch afternoon flight to another country we are visiting... once again, depends where you have trekked. Allow for a 4 hour drive across border, then another 2 hours to Kigale....

A few questions:
If we leave early enough, how long would it take to get from the camps/lodges around Bwindi, over the border with Rwanda to the Kigali airport? Can that border crossing hold us up? Is it ever closed?
shouldn't, but one never knows.
How early does it open?
06h30
How long does a border crossing take from Uganda to Rwanda?
- Depends where you are travelling from in Uganda
We are US citizens so we dont need a Rwanda visa, I also assume this means less hassle in general
How long is the drive from Kibale to Bwindi if we chose to skip QENP?
- 6 - 7 hours directly
Is QENP so amazing we should not skip?
- I travel Africa and the QENP is one of those truly incredible destinations. If you know what you are doing, dont miss teh park.
thanks! I vist the park 3 - 6 times per year, its one of my favourites

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I'll try my best with the border questions. There are two borders for Uganda/Rwanda. The best for Bwindi is Cyanika. Bwindi is c90 mins in a 4x4 to Cyanika on a very hairy road that is currently being resurfaced. The road is often closed because of crashes/breakdowns when no one can get passed. Cyanika is the quieter border and you can get through in about 30 minutes and then pick up a matatu on the other side which will take you to Ruhengeri in 45 minutes where you can then pick up a bus for Kigali, 2 hours. Note that there is a 1 hour time difference between Uganda and Rwanda and the border crossing opens at 6.00am.

The 'main' border crossing is Katuna. Not sure how long it will take from Bwindi, but longer than Cyanika. Again crossing opens at 6.00am and it's then a c2 hour drive to Kigali. You can pick up buses at the border. Katuna is very busy and unless you're there at 6.00am expect it to take up to a couple of hours if you're coming through on a bus, or on your own and don't know the protocol.

Both Uganda and Rwandair fly daily beween Kigali - Entebbe. If travelling by road I don't think you'd make a same day afternoon flight.

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Hi
We wont be taking any busses. We would be with a driver and translator/guide (who may be the same person)... so if it was 90 minutes to the border from Bwindi, and 30 minutes to get over the border, then if we have a driver waiting for us on the other side to take us right to the Kigali (main) airport, how long would the portion take from the border to the airport? What if we asked our driver to go through with his car? Is that a big project? Would that take 1 hour? 4 hours? I know someone in Ukraine, in the early years, who drove a bus with 30 people on it and they waited 7 days to cross... the line was like 20 miles long. Insane.

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