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Ye Olde Thorn Tree

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16-Dec-2002 16:54
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Legends of the Fall Tourist Season...

A generally reliable poster related a new version of an "urban legend" (the misdirected corpse -- in which a family receives not their loved one, but a black man with a cigar) as "gospel truth" below. Those kinds of stories have always existed (the poster found it on Yahoo.com -- I heard the same story, complete with the "black man with a cigar" -- years ago in the U.S. midwest). But that post, and the one from the person who believes there is only one telephone in Real de Catorce, intrigue me. What other folk beliefs and legends still circulate among tourists in Mexico?

The "myth of blonde beauties" is probably the oldest, and still circulates. The Spanish justified their supramacy partly by creating a blond Quetzcoatl in their retelling of pre-conquest tales. The credulous, and not very bright, Maxmillian von Hapsburg's belief in that tale only proves that there are, indeed, "dumb blondes". Portfirio Diaz humorously defended his police-state by claiming a blonde could walk unmolested from Matamoros to Tapachula in her underware.

Tales of danger, and near-death experiences are still popular. Some of these may have some factual basis (any country with a high rate of youth unemployment is going to have a high crime rate), but I suspect most are folklore. How many tourists wear diamond necklaces and carry a fortune in cash anyway? The people kidnapped and robbed while riding in taxis are usually small merchants known to carry cash, or wealthy (or perceived to be wealthy) Mexicans that can raise immediate cash from their family.

I've yet to actually meet the tourist who had this experience. Violence against foreigners is generally front-page, top of the hour news. This includes more or less "accidental" violence. When a tourist was wounded in Chiapas last year, it was major news here. The tourist happened to be Canadian -- the Canada Post and this forum were a goldmine of rumors and legends regarding police misconduct, Zapatista-inspired anti-foreign violence, and primative medical facilities. Never mind that the Federal Prosecutor and local police found the shooter within a few hours (he was a disguntled hotel employee with a gun and bad eyesight) or that the hospital was fully qualified and neither the victim, his partner (housed by the local hospital administrator until the consulate could arrange emergency housing), nor the Canadian Embassay had anything but praise for the local administration, nor that the near-sighted shooter had no political connections -- a good story is a good story.

Fiction, whether in the Canada Post, yahoo.com, or elsewhere, has a shadowy afterlife among Mexican visitors. Don Juan crossed the border and is working in construction in Lake Wobegone, Minnesota, now, but Carlos Castenada's novels are believed to reflect modern reality by some. The Peruvian novelist published his books as non-fiction (I'm old enough to remember reading them in a University anthopology class), but even the altered realities of Richard Brautigan, William S. Burroughs, Jack Keroac and Malcolm Lowery take on some credence as, uh -- dry -- reportage by some visitors. Hollywood, as far back as Raoul Walsh's faked footage of Pancho Villa's campaigns, has been creating a Mexican mythology of its own. Witness the sudden popularity of Real de Catorce after "The Mexican" was released. That one telephone has been awfully busy ever since!

There's nothing wrong with travel myths, for the most part. The Greek tourism industry has prospered for the last few millenia, thanks to the Iliad and Odessey. But, from gay villages in Oaxaca to rat-meat tacos; thrill-kill cults along the border to Indigenous wise-women; toilet paper (or the supposed dearth thereof) to donkeys in Tijuana, this country's 21st century travel myths -- good, bad, ugly and just plain bone-headed -- beat the Greeks hands down. So you regular posters, and especially you Mexican residents. . . what good travel tales have you heard lately?


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Ye Olde Thorn Tree

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16-Dec-2002 16:59
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Not necessarily a "travel" tale but, the first time I went to Mexico City I was told that women are exempt from stopping at red lights after a certain time of night. They say that there are many incidents of robbers, carjackers, etc., running out from the shadows of a building and jumping on to the hood of vehicles stopped at red lights.

True or false? Who knows?

I was staying in the Centro Historico on that trip and I went out one night with a friend who lives there and works for the US Embassy. On the drive back to my hotel she told me she did not want to sit even for a moment out in front of my hotel even to say goodnight because she was scared.

I went out another night with other friends who live in DF, a married couple, and when they dropped me off we sat in front of my hotel in their car and talked for almost 20 minutes. They weren't the least bit nervous.

Go figure.

Ye Olde Thorn Tree

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Oh Really?
Rich, its rather naive of you to think that reports of towns without telephone service is urban legend. I've been to quite a few such places in recent years. I can only report on the state of things at the time I was there, not what happens afterward. Eventually they will probably all have phone service. Real de Catorce didn't have phone service when I was last there. Guess the movie people came in with all their money and did what the town hadn't been able to afford. I was in Batopilas and some other towns in Copper Canyon year before last. No phone service, other than the town phone. They don't even have a post office. Ask Keith down in Urique if they have phone service. Don't expect to find phone service in Tlacolulan or other remote towns in the mountains not far from Xalapa. Or in Santa Cruz on lake Atitlan in Guatemala for that matter. The first time I was in Puerta Vallarta there were just two phones in the whole town. That was a few years after Liz & Dick did their movie nearby. Not urban legend, Rich, just the facts.


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phones in urique
a phone arrived in urique a couple of years ago. You make or receive calls at the telefono rural office downtown; and now there are even some private ones as well. We actually had one at our place for a couple of months (we were the absolute end of the line), but then the arroyo washed out the the pole down by the road. No one would come to fix it, and I was getting tired of the damn thing ringing all the time anyway, so we cancelled it. That's another story--boy is it hard to cancel your service out in the boonies. Last I was there they were threatening to disconnect me if I didn't pay up. Which was what I wanted in the first place, so it all worked out. When I left they were threatening to hook up electricity! I'm planning to move farther out in the country.

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Ye Olde Thorn Tree

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Keith
Hi Keith. Where are you? Saw your generous invitation for a stay on the house. Thanks, that's mighty nice of you. And certainly if you're ever in Austin I've got a room we'll put your name on. When do you go back to Urique? I saw where an oom-pah band won the "banda" award last night at the Latin music awards. Reminded me of the Copper Canyons music. I liked it, but after a couple weeks of hearing it everywhere I couldn't help but laugh. Heard it everywhere, buses, bars, restaurants, hotels, on the street, and then in the El Paso airport on the return trip. Also curious, when you taught school, what subjects?

Ye Olde Thorn Tree

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Hi, Aloysius
I'm in Oregon since late July. No one, as usual, showed up for the 4th of July potluck, which was probably just as well in that the rainy season never really got started until the end of July (about six weeks late for us) and it was pretty miserable. Unless I can get someone to pay me to make a trip to the canyons, I probably won't be back there until next summer at the earliest, although I plan to be in Cuernavaca for the winter semester (Violeta is teaching a class at the U. there). We hear a lot of that norten~o music in Urique, but Mexican rock and roll is making some inroads. If you'd like some tapes or CDs of latino music, I have a friend from high school in Austin who specializes in that. Let me know if you'd like to get in touch with him. When I was teaching I taught composition and introduction to literature courses. When I was at the U of O I did research and writing for something called the Career Information System. Thank you for the offer of a place to stay.

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More legends
Hi Rich,

Back to the original subject. The most popular legend I heard of was chupacabres, which even got a lot of coverage on TV, as you doubtless recall. The descriptions varied, but mostly they were vaguely human-like monsters that killed livestock and sucked their blood.

About that same period, a newspaper in Guatemala allegedly published a price list for children's body parts and the price list circulated in Mexico for a while.

The hardest legend to kill is the one that says when the ancient ball game (sometimes called pok-ta-pok) was played the winning (sometimes losing) team's captain was killed. The late scholar of Mayan archaeology Linda Schele explained what the inscriptions were really showing but to this day tourists are being told this silly legend.

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Fact vs. fiction
"The people kidnapped and robbed while riding in taxis are usually small merchants known to carry cash, or wealthy (or perceived to be wealthy) Mexicans that can raise immediate cash from their family. I've yet to actually meet the tourist who had this experience"

Why is it necessary for you to have met a foreigner to whom this has happened in order for it to have validation/authenticity for you? Likewise, your assumption that only "small merchants" or those who are "perceived wealthy" suffer this type of crime is incorrect.

While foreigners may not go around flashing large amounts of jewelry, many carry bank cards (concealed or not) and this is the motivation of the taxi kidnapping crimes: the perpetrator will hold the victim hostage until he can withdraw money from a bank machine using the victim's ATM. This is not the stuff of urban legends nor is it "accidental violence"--it is deliberate and intentional crime that is an urban reality. Do you not watch the news there?

I assure you this happens with alarming frequency in the D.F. Just two days ago I heard Fox on TV addressing an unsolved murder involving bodies found in a taxi.

That you dismiss this as "urban legend" which only happens to the rich (or those who appear wealthy) is disgraceful, an insult to those who have been victimized.

Please learn to distinguish fact from fiction.

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Ye Olde Thorn Tree

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Hmmm...
#7 - Well, hence the widely-broadcast warning re: taking taxicabs in Mexico City, no?

TexasDoug

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Both travel and politics are broadening. By travel, you learn that other folks do not live the way you do. In politics, you learn they do not think the way you do.

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I have a friend, 50 year old female, fluent in Spanish who often lives for periods of time in Mexico, and who hailed a taxi about a year ago in Mexico City, was taken to the edge of town, robbed, beaten, and left for dead. I suspect the warnings regarding taxis are legitimate.

Both travel and politics are broadening. By travel, you learn that other folks do not live the way you do. In politics, you learn they do not think the way you do.

wmasterson

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I'm one who share's the opinion of many people who live in the D.F., that the warnings are understanted.

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