Another "Which Camera" Thread.
Replies: 14 - Last Post: Oct 4, 2013 11:59 PM Last Post By: Justin23
Sep 21, 2013 12:08 PM
Another "Which Camera" Thread.Yeah, so as the title says, yet another "Which Camera" thread.....I know you love these ones :)
I'll try and make it as easy as I can so you people in the know can help me out.
I'm swapping out / selling my G12 - I've owned it for over a year, and it did the job for me OK. Perhaps a bit too big and clunky, plus I don't like the flip back screen.
In the past 5 years I've had the Nikon D90, the Fuji X100, the Fuji F550EXR and now the G12.
I'm looking for the smallest high end P & S that I can get for under 1K NZD (right now about $830 USD give or take) I travel most of the year so it needs to be durable. I shoot landscapes, wildlife, people in everyday life / scenes. Great quality video is a must!
Lightweight, small and portable.....I travel light / minimal and mainly in SEA and The Sub-Continent.
I have been in touch with a guy who has sold me 3 cameras in the past and these are his recommendations across a price, sensor and zoom spectrum.
Sensor size 1/2" (6.4 x 4.8 mm) Zoom 20X
Fuji F750 EXR (newer model of what you had) $398.00
Fuji F800 EXR (same as above but will do RAW files) $428.00
Fuji X Series,
Sensor Size 2/3" (8.8 x 6.6 mm) Zoom 4X
Fuji XF1 (Smaller than G15, no view finder) $458.00
Fuji X20 (Same size as G15 with view finder) $899.00
Sensor Size 1″ (13.2 x 8.8 mm) Zoom 3.6X (Biggest sensor of all the compacts) $899.00
Sensor Size 1/1.7" (7.44 x 5.58 mm) Zoom 5X (smallest of the high end compacts) $558.00
Sensor Size 1/1.7" (7.44 x 5.58 mm) Zoom 7.1X (smallest camera with a view finder) $698.00
Note, the prices are in Kiwi dollars and shopping around online I know I can get cheaper.
Right now I'm leaning towards the Panny LF1 or the Sony RX 100. My shop guy says that any of the cameras he has listed is a great device, but I need to decide if I want a large sensor or a large zoom as i can't have both :)
One problem I have is that I'm currently in my tin pot tiny home town in NZ and there are no Camera shops here stocking these devices...I would love to avoid buying a new camera without having it in my hands first.....but it may have to be that way.
Im looking for advice or suggestion from you Camera experts out there...in particular those of you who have owned one of these cameras and can comment on them.
Which one would you pick? Or....if there are any other cameras you think would fit the bill, please say so.
Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions offered.
Sep 21, 2013 5:21 PM
1So the larger sensor will work much better in dim lighting conditions and have less noise. The RX100 has 20 MP so instead of zooming you can crop a bit.
Otherwise look at some of the smaller interchangeable lens cameras? There is nothing saying you can't take a camera and 1 lenses mounted while travelling, but have the flexibility to change it every now and then. they may not be small enough, but there is a new Fuji X-A1 that is $599 US...
Pentax Q-7 also uses a 1/1.7" sensor with interchangeable lenses. I bought the original Q because it was on sale. Despite its size its quite a capable camera system. The lenses are very small and light.
There are so many cameras you probably need to decide whats important for you to give any kind of useful advice.
Sep 21, 2013 7:22 PM
2Yeah so many variables. And you are wanting for a bit of everthing from people to wildlife. Knowing that most people do on travel like inside cafes and restaurants, after dinner etc ... I would go with a larger sensor. How about a Canon EOS M or the Nikon 1 series both just a bit over $1,000NZ at Photo and Video in Christchurch. I am in NZ too .. or yeah thru other sources may be cheaper.
I heard the multiplier factor is quite long on the Nikon 1 so that would give you more reach for wildlife. The Leica or Panasonic, Joe Cornish have used that, it used to use at least 4x5 sheet film but he has published some images off this Pana of his. But I think he is more into wide angle for his scenic but less so for long lenses for wildlife.
Sep 21, 2013 10:07 PM
3Justin, Ray - thanks for the great comments and suggestions, I appreciate it.
I'd really like to avoid an interchangeable lens camera. I want to keep things small, lightweight and minimal fuss (yes, I know that ILC's can fit this bill) . I also have limited space in my Luggage and cannot really go any bigger than the G12.
I think the Panasonic LF1 is probably the best suited as it has a bigger sensor than the F series & more zoom than the X series, but I am a firm believer of the bigger the sensor the better quality pictures you get which would make the Sony RX100 the best......I don't need professional grade photos, but would like to get the best images I can from a device that suits the above descriptions.
Thanks once again.
Sep 22, 2013 4:38 AM
Sep 22, 2013 6:35 AM
5As you are looking for smallest and lightest I would choose between the Panasonic LF1 and Sony RX100.
Its longer zoom and viewfinder vs better iso and more MP.
To me the longer zoom would not be attractive however the viewfinder might - I say might as I can't comment on how useful it is, haven't used that camera.
As for the RX 100:
Made of metal it seems quite solid and I have no complaints here so far.
The image quality is very good until 800iso, at least one stop faster than Canon s110 and likely the LF1 a, well. That's seen by a very critical eye, if you are not as critical you might up it for another step for both cameras. Bottom line however is that the Sony will do a better low light job, which is a major point for me,sshooting markets in the evenings, inside temples, restaurants, etc.
I think that would tip over my favour to the Sony over the Panasonics viewfinder.
Personally I shoot my Sony in raw only and use adobe to contest to jpeg as the results are better - to my very critical eye again.
This is a bit cumbersome in terms of workflow but worth doing to me.
However once more if you are happy with 'good' Sony incamera jpeg will suffice entirely for you.
Speed, AF, burst rate and shot to shot is very good for a compact.
Overall I'm happy with my Sony and there is no other pocket size camera I would exchange it for right now.
The only thing they could change for me would be to take away the little speedlight and use the Panasonics viewfinder with the gained space...
Sep 22, 2013 6:41 AM
6Oh, and as said with the Sony MP advantage you can 'crop to the zoom' of the Panasonic so it really comes down to viewfinder vs larger sensor/better low light shooting.
As you have had the G12 you can actually determine what you would prefer. Give up the viewfinder of the G12 and gain better low light - or stay with the viewfinder and similar lowlight.
At least on the wide end, where the zooms are same speed.
Sep 22, 2013 10:38 AM
7Great Reply T4F's - Thanks for taking the time to write that out.
After reading many of the online reviews for all of these cameras, one of the most common complaints of the LF1 is the View Finder....being too small!
I still have the G12 (it's currently on an Auction site) and was using it over the weekend...I use the Viewfinder less than 50% of the time.
Thanks once again, your replies are very helpful.
Sep 22, 2013 11:24 PM
8If the viewfinder is being used almost 50% then you sure will miss it. However if it is too small to be useful then I would clearly go for the Sony.
Can't compare the viewfinder really, the one in the Canon G series is not very large either but from my experience still quite useful.
Dunno how the one from the Panasonic compares to the one of the G series however.
Sep 23, 2013 2:43 AM
9I think if its down between LF1 vs the RX100 i'd go the sony, because of the better low light capabilities. But thats just me and with 20MP you can crop down to a 4-5 MP image and still print A4 size easily.
I'd go have a look if you can get to a camera store though, because some of the ILC cameras are smaller than compacts and you don't need to take 2 lenses but always have the opportunity to do so.
Sep 23, 2013 2:57 AM
10One of the things about ILC cameras is that as soon as you mount a lens its getting too large for pocket size.
I had a look at the Nikon 1, the small one without the viewfinder. A truly miniature body. But as soon as you put a lens on it no more, even if you choose a pancake prime.
The Canon S series, this Panasonic and the Sony are just one size smaller, and that one step makes quite a difference.
Plus some other cameras in this category, the small Fuji for example.
Sep 23, 2013 11:04 AM
11The G12 just sold over night for the price I wanted, so I'm pretty stoked about that :)
Yes, the Panny, Sony and S110 are all in the mix, and you are right Justin, I may have to make a trip away for the day and see these cameras up close and personal.....I really don't want to buy blind.
An ILC would be great, but I have to keep this one small and very portable.
Thanks once again for all your comments, suggestions and help.
Sep 23, 2013 5:00 PM
Oct 4, 2013 8:05 PM
13OK, I'm not an expert by any stretch!! Started with the Canon G9 (stolen/lost) and then went to Canon Rebel SLR in conjunction with canon s95.
Now .... given that I'm a little clue less ..... when I compare pictures that I have taken with these 3 cameras ...... I can't tell a huge difference ...... and at times, each one has brilliant photos. Of course, they are all good cameras.
However, if terms of fitting into your pocket, ease of use, durable etc etc ....... the canon s95 ......... updated now to the s110.
Oct 4, 2013 11:59 PM
14#13, the real difference with cameras is often more noticeable in adverse conditions. ie low or extreme bright light. Things like shadows and bright white clouds often show the true difference.
Better cameras offer better control over how to take the photo. if you just shoot automatic then, yes paying for an expensive camera is probably a waste.
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