Hitchhiking: Is a bivy sack best for stealth camping?
Replies: 33 - Last Post: Aug 22, 2013 10:50 AM Last Post By: beach2u
Aug 21, 2013 5:15 PM
15A tent just sits too high. They are easily visible. I need something as low as possible. And something small and tough enough that I can put some branches on it to blend into the surroundings. That way people could walk by you just a few feet away and not realize you're there. That is a huge margin of safety.
As for burying stuff away from you, its the smartest way to avoid losing all your stuff in the event of a robbery. The hassle of replacement far outweighs the monetary loss usually. It can take many days to replace many documents and you have to waste time and money waiting for their arrival. Its agony when you're on the road. You just have to utterly sure nobody can possibly see you bury your stuff!
Is Tyvek noisy? It is very noisy initially but if its washed a few times its much quieter. Maybe there is another fabric that is quieter and completely waterproof? I don't really care about the breathability as I don't think Tyvek could really breath very well but I guess I'll have to play with it to see. I would probably use vents for breathability. Of course in rain that wouldn't work well. No easy solutions!
The problem with hitchhiking is you have little control over where you end up. So the more invisible you are the better. It can save a fortune in accommodation costs. And if you find a quiet area, you'll probably sleep much better than in a crowded dorm room with at least 1 slob (probably me!) snoring all night.
Aug 21, 2013 6:47 PM
maybe this is my old age talking, but I doubt I'd sleep very well at all somewhere so dangerous that I'd have to bury my belongings and sleep camoflaged under a pile of branches.
Unless you are a hobbyist with lots of time to experiment, I'd put out of your head the notion of building a shelter more complicated than a simple tarp. In all likelihood, anything you make yourself will be shoddy, bulky, poorly designed, and flimsy. This isn't a comment on you or your particular skills, its a comment on what happens when people try to make complex structures out of unfamiliar materials. That sort of thing takes good design skills and lots of time to experiment - typically behind every passable homemade shelter are a mountain of discarded attempts.
Aug 21, 2013 6:56 PM
Aug 21, 2013 7:43 PM
18"There's a fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness.'" (Dave Barry)
OP, you haven't ever slept in tyvek, have you? I have.
Have you slept a couple of feet away from people who would hurt you or steal your valuables if they knew you were there? Huh. What about that snoring....?
Have you hitched around a lot and found yourself wanting to spend the night under less-than-secure circumstances? Me too. I never bury my "valuables." If I'm that insecure, I'm moving on.
YMMV. However, remember that living in the real world is always a possibility.
Aug 21, 2013 9:07 PM
19If you're looking for cheap, and urban, haven't you heard about couchsurfing???
Free is always good, new interesting people with either a couch or a bed and a nice shower in the morning. It just takes some preplanning, and setting up several good prospects in front of your travels. Sure beats stealth camping like a homeless person in a dangerous urban environment. No bum fights for me thank you.
Aug 21, 2013 9:35 PM
20#19, Couchsurifng is not the best option for hitchhikers in many cases, as they tend to require that guests give exact arrival times, and they may make the guest feel bad by talking incessantly of how they disapprove of hitchhiking and think you're a bad person for travelling so. Not so welcoming.
I am an active host in hospitality exchange communities and I stay with people from time to time, but only if the city I'm going to has hosts that are themselves hitchhikers and understand the lifestyle. If there are no such hosts, taking public transportation to the outskirts of a city (no need to sleep in the middle of a "dangerous urban environment") and then camping in the relative wilderness is a much better option.
Aug 21, 2013 11:53 PM
21"they may make the guest feel bad by talking incessantly of how they disapprove of hitchhiking and think you're a bad person for travelling so."
Kind've like the Thorntree forums, then?
OP, Anabase speaks the truth: if it's not safe, move on until you find a place that is. I've slept out in all kinds of places--big city graveyards used to be my favorite refuges when stranded at night, as were the scribby clumps of bushes along the edges of highways and the spaces tucked up under freeway bridges before everyone else discovered the same spots. But basically you'll be happier and better rested if you can find your way out of town before making camp.
Now, if your goal is not traveling but long-term residency on the street, maybe that's a different story. You're still not going to like tyvek, but you're welcome to try.
Aug 22, 2013 12:39 AM
Aug 22, 2013 12:40 AM
When you're hitchhiking, its often unpredictable where you'll end up. Hiding your belongings would take just a few minutes of digging.
Aug 22, 2013 12:45 AM
Did you wash it several times? It makes it much quieter. I'm always looking for a better material to you though.
If you sleep somewhere you have no idea who is going to be roaming around there at night. If you're concealed you're much safer.
I wouldn't dream of hitchhiking at night. The problem with hitchhiking is is you just often have no control over where you'll be next and how receptive its going to be to your sleeping there. To be able to conceal oneself is highly desirable.
Aug 22, 2013 12:47 AM
25There have been many instances of problems with couchsurfing. But of course I would avail myself of that if possible. But if you don't know when you'll arrive or where you'll next get dropped off, its kind of hard. To be able to just crash close to where you want to hitchhike out of in the morning is just so ideal I would think.
Aug 22, 2013 12:49 AM
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Aug 22, 2013 5:08 AM
It's five seconds to ask the question, and a few minutes to get a workable answer.
The whole taksk just seems silly to me.
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