Teach English abroad- no degree, no TEFL
Replies: 14 - Last Post: Sep 25, 2013 5:22 PM Last Post By: LongIslandBob
Aug 2, 2013 7:50 PM
Teach English abroad- no degree, no TEFLHey everyone,
I'm interested in teaching abroad, I have 4 1/2 years of college but no degree, and no TEFL training. What are some options available to me or is my pursuit hopeless?
I am currently a day care teacher for toddlers,I don't know if that will help me at all but it's worth a shot.
I appreciate any advice! :)
Aug 3, 2013 1:45 AM
But you will get far more opportunities (at better schools,with better pay and conditions) if you do at least the basic course and get some TEFL experience...
It is also extremely useful on a personal level..to learn more about what you are doing (and why) and to see whether you enjoy it or not.
I'd do the course if at all possible,
Aug 3, 2013 2:52 PM
2More and more countries (Korea, japan Taiwan) are requiring a college degree to teach ESL. Fake degrees will often suffice. But TEFL is a skill and the learning curve is about 6 months before you get good.
The highest paid teachers have 6 mos experience, speak some of the native language, and work in medium sized cities rather than capitals and major cities.
In my (somewhat outdated) experience TEFL certification is nothing more than a way of documenting your experience, which can also be done other ways.
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Aug 3, 2013 5:56 PM
3Depends if you want to do it legally or not.
I'll speak for the two countries where I have lived and worked as an ESL teacher:
Korea: lots of illegal teaching work is available in kindergartens and smaller cram schools, paying $30-40 an hour. I worked such a kindergarten job while I was there in addition to my regular (legal) employment. To get this kind of work, you'll need to turn up in a city and tap into the foreigner community there. The downsides are that you'll need to take a trip out of the country every few months to renew your visitor visa. Immigration might get suspicious if you do this a lot - I don't know - this is something you would need to look into. If you get caught (which is highly unlikely in my opinion, at least in the medium-sized city in which I lived), you will face deportation.
Taiwan: I live here now and work opportunities are generally scarcer than in Korea, but again, if you tap into the foreigner community you should be able to come up with something. Bring plenty of savings to tide you over in case nothing comes up straight away. There is plenty of ad-hoc subbing work available in my city, and kindergarten teaching jobs - always illegal in Taiwan - are available. Pay is about $20 an hour. You'll need to leave the country every 3 months to renew your visitor visa. Similar risks to working illegally in Korea.
I'm not necessarily endorsing working illegally in either country, just saying that it can be done and I know people who do it.
Aug 3, 2013 5:58 PM
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Aug 4, 2013 7:51 AM
7Its true that you need a university degre to teach (legally) in many Asian countries..but its not necessary everywhere.
In most of Europe for example it is not a requirement at all..most schools want a TEFL cert.and if possible some experience.
I've worked with plenty of people who didn't have a university degree( in Italy)..Brits,Americans,Canadians etc etc.
Aug 4, 2013 7:13 PM
Aug 6, 2013 2:32 AM
Aug 11, 2013 9:35 PM
10If money isn't an issue for you then I'm sure that you could get an English teaching job in South East Asia or Nepal/India. A lot of these jobs would be volunteer but the cost of living is quite cheap there. I'm a teacher in South Korea and I definitely wouldn't recommend you trying to get a job in an East Asian country without a degree.
Aug 12, 2013 4:07 AM
11I never did it on any sort of a program. I just freelanced.
It was nearly 20 years ago but in those days "programs" were for suckers who gave up 20% of their pay so some "service" could do for them what the traveler could have done on his/her own.
A degree is required in Korea, Japan and Taiwan, (the three places that pay the most) although I have it on good authority that in Taiwan a decent fake degree will suffice.
Either way, teaching ESL is a skill that involves a learning curve. You'll probably suck at first. I did. Every teacher I know did.
Eventually (2-6 mos) you'll get good at it, then you can move outside the big cities and start making real money. If you start around May or mid June, you'll find that when the kids get out of school in late June, teachers will be in such high demand you will be able to choose from among multiple job offers.
Personally I prefer Taiwan (better weather) but Korea and Japan are said to be both cleaner, and less chaotic. Plus in Taiwan you can learn Chinese, which means a LOT more on your future resume than knowing Japanese or Korean. I don't know too many Japanese. The Taiwanese are very hospitable. The handful of Koreans I know, once they know you, are very loyal friends who will do ANYTHING to help you.
Sep 25, 2013 6:32 AM
12I recently got my TEFL certificate (140 hrs advanced online programme) but have NO TEACHING EXPERIENCE and NO DEGREE. Given that Im a UK citizen wanting to teach in mainland Europe, does anyone foresee problems? And (rhetorically, perhaps)how is one meant to gain teaching experience if one cannot get a job in the first place? Just a thought. Essentially, my question, I guess, is the online TEFL certificate I've got (that cost me £19 on a "time out" offer) worth the paper its printed on, or am I,for all intents and purposes, unemployable? All responses appreciated. Cheers, Martin.
Sep 25, 2013 6:40 AM
13You might want to start a new thread with this..you'll probably get more replies..
Anyway...it is possible to get a job with no experience (we are talking about legal jobs in schools etc...not private tuition,which you can get without anything ;-).
It depends on..which country you want to teach in,where in the country and what sort of pay/conditions you expect.
It is much easier to get a low paid job in a family-run school in small town Poland than it is to get a job with the British Council in Paris.......
Sep 25, 2013 10:16 AM
14What can I say?
I know nothing about Eastern Europe except where to find it on a map.
The big teaching jobs are all reputedly in North East Asia.
There you need a degree, but sometimes a fake one will suffice. A TEFL certificate is not necessary but it takes a few months experience to get good at teaching..
Best deal is to start when the kids go on summer break (and jobs are plentiful) then move to some small or medium -sized city and make some real money.
Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.
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