Moving to Morocco - Maybe?
Replies: 21 - Last Post: Aug 30, 2013 3:11 PM Last Post By: Truman13
Jul 29, 2013 2:40 AM
Moving to Morocco - Maybe?Hi all
Seen a ton of useful information from experience people here and wanted to ask a question about the only possible issue I can see with getting Residency in Morocco.
Been to Morocco a few times now and I am looking forward to moving out there and leaving the wet old UK, I have looked up all of the documents I need to get but have hit a possible snag
Back in 2000 at new years eve party I was arrested and cautioned for Drunken Disorderly. This shows up on the criminal record sheet that I have just recieved. I have been on google for several hours but cannot find out if something like this on my UK criminal record would stop a residency application in Morocco before it even started.
This was the start and end of my criminal career, a Doctor Evil wannabe maybe!
Any thoughts? Any first hand experience would be amazing!
Jul 29, 2013 4:24 AM
1...... Bob, getting residency from what I've picked up over time is a slow process in Morocco. An application takes ages to wind through an over-manned bureaucratic system. You won't get a straight NO to start off with, what you'll experience is a series of monetary moments as your case staggers on and on, for the moment you stay on and on. The blot on your copy will also be a moment when its considered and evaluated!
If you want settle in Morocco, go for it and see, what's the worst they can do......
As you have been to Morocco a number of times, hopefully not come to the attention of the police, this should be to your credit.
Edited by: moroccotraveler
Jul 29, 2013 5:13 AM
2Thanks for the reply!
I wouldnt dream of starting any trouble in Morocco, the thought of the prisons there should put even the most hardened criminal off!! (and im off the sauce these days!)
I think my concern is more about the restrictions to me settling there if they did turn me down, the leaving every 90 days isnt a massive issue however I read conflicting comments about working and owning property without being a resident, some sites suggest its ok while others say you're restricted.
Also important would be a desire to get married at some point, can I do that as a non resident?
Im sure its probably a non issue with the conviction being so long ago, worrying over nothing but better to be prepared before I go out there on my plans!
Jul 29, 2013 5:30 AM
3Bob, I think after reading all this that you might just as well come to Morocco and start an application for Residency: Carte de Sejour. Go to the commissariate of any city and find the Bureau des Etranger. With luck you will encounter an officer who speaks English.
Yes, as moroccotraveler says, it's a long and intricate process which seems to change every year.
Just do your best to get everything together that they ask for and submit it. There is only one way to find out if they will give you residency. Expect lots of minor difficulties but be persistent.
Jul 29, 2013 5:39 AM
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Jul 29, 2013 8:01 AM
7...... I'm hoping David will elaborate on the monetary moments !
You mention marriage, are you bringing your Fiancee out with you.
Leasing a property is less complicated, if you have problems in a neighbourhood its easier to move on, and if you decide to leave Morocco trying to realise your investment can drag on endlessly.
Where in Morocco would you like to settle ?
Edited by: moroccotraveler
Jul 29, 2013 8:21 AM
Jul 29, 2013 8:46 AM
9...... a couple I got to know many years ago were trying to buy an apartment in Agadir in 1998, there was a fortuitous delay and the couple rented an ajoining property for few months. Several serious problems appeared as they lived there, sewage smells and drainage problems, low occupancy and some squatting, the noise insulation was poor. They had an idea to use the property part of the year and have a local agent find tenants for the rest. They liked Morocco then and Agadir in particular as there is a direct flight from home, for several years they just rented an apartment for a month or so, then tired of Agadir and Morocco and were glad they didn't invest in property. Investing their money they used the interest towards the cost of holidays, and enjoyed the freedom to choose other destinations. Owning property brings responsibility and costs.
Jul 29, 2013 8:53 AM
10Sorry I wasnt very clear, not sure why I didnt even mention it. Buying property would be for renting out to people, it is likely I would rent my own place but would still want to buy a property.
This is why I wanted to know if I could still do this as a non-resident, I think I understand the risks but if my basis of income may be based on buying a property I may have to rethink plans if I were denied residency if I couldnt then buy.
Same with the getting Married, plans may be different if I couldnt do that :)
Jul 29, 2013 9:04 AM
11Secondly - IF you buy property in Morocco & decided to leave, there's a big problem getting your financial investment out of Morocco due to their tight financial laws on exportation of money.
I know several French friends who've been in this predicament, so tread carefully
Regarding 'admin' matters, Morocco as with a lot of N & W Africa still uses the French system from colonial days with a few tweaks. Living in France & dealing with it difficult (even as a French civil servant but as a foreigner), I can imagine that it will be more difficult in Morocco - so BE PERSISTENT!!!
Jul 30, 2013 11:31 AM
Jul 31, 2013 3:07 PM
Just as in the UK, & most other countries, you cannot apply for residency in Morocco & expect to be accepted just because you feel like living there. The country already has 50 % unemployment and 50 % of its population under 30 years of age, so it has no policy of actively attempting to encourage immigration of any sort, now does it have any policy of encouraging foreign entrepreneurs to settle, in the hope that they will invest in the country & build businesses.
The main categories of applicants who will even be considered by the Moroccan authorities for residency are as follows:1: People who are being transferred for their work into Morocco by an international company; 2; people who are married to Moroccan citizens ; 3: People who are fully retired from work, are prepared to swear an oath that they will not be seeking work & are able to prove that they have sufficient funds to keep themselves. As David says, requirements for supporting documentation change fairly frequently and without notification. There is no 'carte de sejour' category for people who want to live in Morocco permanently, but need to find work to support themselves.
Reading between the lines of what you have written, It doesn't sound like, at the moment, you fulfil any of the above criteria., so the small misdemeanour in the UK some years ago is not a key issue, working out how you might present yourself as an applicant in one of these categories is far more important.
Furthermore, despite reported experiences of other people, you cannot rely on going in 'under the wire' without paperwork & then just overstaying, hoping that the authorities will not catch up with you. If you drive, for example, you will be aware that there are frequent police road blocks on all main routes and all your papers will be checked . If you have overstayed your 90 days, you will be in trouble & you would surely not want to be in a position where you might get deported.
There is no legal problem whatever with buying a property in Morocco as a foreigner - and you do not need a carte de sejour to do so - but if you intend to buy something to rent out, you will need separate legal & financial advice on this. Be aware that, unless your target tenant is an expat, average salaries for Moroccans are a fraction of those of the UK, which means that rents in some areas will also be very much lower.
Regarding your desire to get married, presumably to a Moroccan citizen, the fact that you are non resident is the least of your problems: if you are a non-muslim, the barriers to be overcome are substantial, both legally & culturally. There is lots of coverage of this issue on various expat websites, so you should trawl these. From what I have read, however, most British people, when marrying a Moroccan muslim, end up getting married in the UK because the process is much less complex. It may be an obvious thing to say but you would also need to be sure that your intended's family were supportive of your plans, as their antipathy would make everything very much harder.
Edited by: Truman13
Aug 1, 2013 5:43 AM
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