The Myths of Sorong and Indonesian New Guinea.
Replies: 45 - Last Post: Apr 25, 2013 2:49 AM Last Post By: Laszlo
Apr 17, 2013 2:21 PM
Apr 17, 2013 4:43 PM
Apr 17, 2013 6:45 PM
32Post 29, agreed if you are in such a rush you have no time to observe anything which is exactly what you guys want.
I will tell you a small story. On one of only 2 intersections at the T of the main street and Jalan Baru in Sorong there is a gas station. The sign on the main street outside says solar and beneath bensin with a price for both listed separately of 4,500R per litre. Lo and behold I went there and bought Gas/Petrol not Diesel/Gasole at under 50 cents a liter. On the islands I paid prices very similar to those on Malaku and Sulawesi.
I think this is a handy reference for even those rushing through the area if they are likely charged unjustly double.
I posted the above topic to give budget traveler's the confidence to visit the area as it is reasonably affordable. This is in the interest that tourism is more sustainable than other methods of raising cash even if at a different speed for more budget travellers. I don't know any tourists who condone throwing plastic in the sea, but I'll assure you counter posters, as your back seems turned half the time, that this happens exactly as anywhere in Indonesia even from Pelni ships right in the middle of Rajah Empat and I have witnessed that too of course.
Apr 18, 2013 2:45 AM
33At 45000 IDR/l it should be subsidised fuel, typically for the poorest Indonesians, and not for tourists or big boats (a 2x40 HP longboat would be considered as a big boat). Better for you if you could enjoy this price, but in the general case, sellers are likely to sell non-subsidised fuel to foreigners.
On outer islands, In Airborek and Bantanta I got fuel at 10000 IDR/l. May be I have been fooled, but in this case 99.99% of the travellers have been fooled, and it is a big-scale scam...
Unfortunately, in Western-Europe also, when I was a kid, everybody was throwing plastics into the sea, and by now, nobody does it any more. I hope it will be the same in Indonesia in 30 years. It takes some time to harvest the fruits of education ...
Apr 18, 2013 12:51 PM
34Indonesian citizens on backpacking trips to Raja Ampat pay very similar daily longboat charter prices to what you paid krapatxuk. All of them knew the high prices for the boat charter is due to high fiuel prices of around 10000 to 13000 quoted to them. At those prices, they knew it would not be sudsidised. So all of the Indonesian backpackers were scammed too. What amazes me is that none of them insisted and demanded the subsidised fuel price. None of them warned the other Indonesians about this alleged scam. As Indonesian citizens none of them complained they were wrongly charged unsubsidised fuel while on holiday touring Raja Ampat.
Apr 18, 2013 3:56 PM
Apr 19, 2013 2:55 AM
36It sure is a big scam and you guys are helping it by accepting without question a parallel market by passing the pumps and will only continue to get worse with that behavior. And then calling me a liar on here. Further it is not subsidized petrol for Indonesians whatsoever. It is regular pump prices. I saw driving into Ambon just now 3 service stations at exactly those prices serving anyone who drove in just as in Sorong.
Apr 19, 2013 11:37 AM
37When I told "big-scale scam" I was off course ironic, because I know I paid the usual price: the price anyone like me could have expected. The price I paid matches with the different other experiences with experienced traveller, in RA I heard about for a longboat.
That does not mean it would be impossible to pay less, but you shouldn´t expect it.
The fuel prices given by Yum Seng are right.
Thank you very much indeed Johnney to advise us about the right behaviour we should observe as travellers in Indonesia. I am really sure someone like Laszlo needed this great info to make his way in eastern Indonesia.
Moreover, petrol IS STILL subsidized in Indonesia. For your information: http://www.pertamina.com/NewsPageDetail.aspx?id=874.
@ Yum Seng & ANOOR: if you need more information about Raja Ampat, please do not hesitate to contact me. I´d be pleased to answer you ... we studied this trip for a long time, so my info is accurate and realistic.
Apr 19, 2013 1:45 PM
38Thank you again krapatxuk. Not for one second did it cross my mind you were scammed. Your pricings are transparent & detailed. You stated which pier you started from, exactly what you paid to charter a longboat on a daily basis and the fuel consumption. You did not beat about the bush & more importantly for me, it is credible. Up till now after 37 posts, I still have no idea what pier OP started from, the daily boat charter price he paid and the number of days he toured. If anyone can tell me that, I would be grateful. To repeat Laszlos words, good luck to those relying on the OPs boat charter pricings. I really mean it.
Apr 19, 2013 6:22 PM
39I stand by every word I said, and Indonesia is no different to many Islamic oil producing countries where oil is NOT subsidize at all. Just that these countries produce the oil and tax it less. Do you think for a second in Europe the real cost of fuel without tax is more than 50 cents a liter because it isn't. It is time you guys got an overview of the situation and stopped paying too much when you have never thought it out. And on the most remote islands I paid a max of 7,500R a liter because I insisted on a fair price. So stop kidding yourselves, accusing me of misinformation, and propagating overcharging by not insisting on fair prices. And be ready to admit you were in a rush maybe and paid too much. The base price of fuel is the same in Sorong as Manado and Ambon.
Neither have I finished my defense of hotel prices but will leave that till another time.
Apr 19, 2013 11:15 PM
40I have a bit of time now in Ambon so will expand on my hotel descriptions in Sorong especially for those whose first language is not English. I was somewhat brief in my first post to keep it from being too long. I am not addressing in my post the people that pay big money for 12 day luxury liveaboards of which in season there are over 30, nor the half a dozen upmarket resorts on Rajah Empat. My motive was to give travelers base costs for the most part to businesses run by local Papuans who also need an occupation.
There are many hotels in Sorong at prices often better than the likes of Manado and elsewhere in Indonesia. The hotels which are in walking distance of each other which helps, going away from the city centre from the main port and would offer the best easy choice for people who arrive and look for a hotel. They are also the best situated as they are on the bay of Kampung Baru and hence are more airy. No other hotels in Sorong, front or are near to the sea, let along where it is open sea.
Prices start at 150,000R for a/c rooms. The Tanjung mentioned in LP is 200,000R including taxes. I noted some prices already. 88 doesn't have a/c but has been recently renovated as has the Waigo with very nice rooms, a smart restaurant for Indonesia, satellite television, and wifi for 350,000R. So there is a choice of hotels well within a reasonable budget range for anyone in this smallish area. I don't think I need to list the rest. In the area there are also some good restaurants and a few nightclubs.
Apr 20, 2013 12:12 PM
Apr 20, 2013 3:17 PM
Anybody who consider this website as a reliable database, knows you are one of the top contributors about Indonesia, and your credibility has not not to be proven any more.
Thank you for sharing your passion for Eastern Indonesia and travels in general, your accurate information helped me a lot for the different trips I made in Maluku, Papua and Sulawesi since 2007.
When are you going to do release an independent travel guide about (Eastern) Indonesia in the way Jens Peter did it about Philippines? That would be great.
Apr 20, 2013 8:14 PM
Apr 24, 2013 9:54 PM
44I have had little time to respond to your abuse #41 until now, and when I have more I will write a further article on visiting Rajah Empat itself.
Rather than call me a “know all”, maybe you and your non introspect support posters could consider that I did already travel In Indonesia widely when you all were juniors. A time when tourism existed because the place was visitable and there were not the bombed out reefs and the decimated tourist infrastructure of today, a trend that has only worsened over the last 20 years. Where one could visit places without being sapped out by mafias trying to extract the little that’s left of a tourist’s money. If Indonesia has been drawn into religious conflict, lack of oil production and destruction caused by high birth rate and tourism has fled, they can only blame themselves.
And open forums such as this are the best way to get constructive information, rather than you trolling to deflect people to your blogs which ultimately support your opinions and business interests.
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