Don't we say "dollars" anymore?
Replies: 37 - Last Post: Mar 24, 2013 10:33 AM Last Post By: RayCCroc
Mar 16, 2013 4:06 PM
Mar 16, 2013 10:55 PM
I think that was clear, V. It would still be very surprising, at least if Kerouac is an American. "Veggies" is jocular, and may strike some as kiddie talk, but "sides" has been used in informal eating establishments my entire (middle-aged) life. Probably a lot longer.
Mar 17, 2013 3:58 AM
Mar 17, 2013 5:35 AM
18I doubt the peace-loving Ms Saint-Marie would be slapping anyone, even if they did break into a Joni Mitchell song she's never been known to record. Rather, she would let you stay Until It's Time for You to Go ,which would be very soon.
Mar 17, 2013 6:13 AM
It's hardly about saving tongue effort. It'd be about using vocabulary appropriate to a given social situation. If a waitress at a diner, greasy spoon, rib joint, crab shack, drive-in, fast casual, or fast food restaurant asked me "Whadda'll'ya'ave for your sides, Hon?" answering "For my side dishes I'll have the fries---erm, make that French-fried potatoes--and the 'slaw...that is, fresh coleslaw" would be to sound entirely pompous and out of one's element.
I can only speculate that you've seldom, if ever, eaten anywhere in the States lacking a Michelin star or two.
Mar 17, 2013 7:48 AM
20For the heck of it, I asked Google to look for "sides" menu. (Have to put quotes around sides to make Google look for that specific word, and not other variations.) All of the first hits were American fast food places. Sonic Drive in, Arby's, KFC, Chick Fil A, McDonalds... After that, it was pretty much all casual restaurants. I did find a fairly upscale Italian restaurant an dRuth's Chris, which is definitely upscale. (I don't much care for the word "Upscale" but I don't know another way to convey the ambiance in one word.)
It may be that the fanciest joints don't often have "sides" because they don't serve everything a la carte. It's been quite some time since I've seen a completely a la carte menu in a long time (one where you order every component of your main course separately). Maybe that has to do with the general trend of shorter menus, or chefs wanting to serve a main course where all the parts work together. (Mr. Nutrax, early in his career, was taken to a business lunch at a very rtizy a la carte place, which he didn't understand. He was rather shocked when his lamb chop turned out to be just that. No vegetables or starch, a plate with just a lamb chop on it.)
The plural of anecdote is not data.
Mar 17, 2013 8:29 AM
Exactly. (Obviously I can't vouch for how long "sides" has been in use, but it strikes me as being in an entirely different category from "veggies.")
Mar 17, 2013 11:51 AM
Mar 18, 2013 2:16 AM
23There have been studies made that when people 'view' prices on menus without the dollar sign, they are more willing to spend more because they don't view it as expensive. That's why chicer more expensive restaurants don't use '$'. Perhaps the same psychology was used in making the commercial, at which point it is no longer about lazy linguistics but rather the company's effort to get your money.
Mar 18, 2013 5:56 AM
Upmarket? It seems to me that when I first came across upscale and downscale (British press, 1970s?) they referred to size, and upmarket and downmarket referred to price. Upscale and downscale seems to have broadened their range and invaded the territory of upmarket and downmarket since then.
Nutrax, it seems to me that in our youth you could eiher order the dinner or a la carte. The dinner included an appetizer or soup and dessert as well as the main course. Normally you chose vegetables from a list to go with your main course; and I think you would do the same thing if you ordered a main course a la carte. At least in the kind of restaurant I frequented. I do remember Fannie Flagg in the seventies talking about taking her mother to either The Four Seasons or 21; her mother noticed the spinach at $5 and said "I don't think I could eat that much spinach!"
Viaggero, sometimes dropping the dollar sign isn't enough and you'll see the prices written out in words. Forty. Forty-five.
Mar 18, 2013 6:32 AM
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Mar 18, 2013 7:33 AM
I found a 2007 Chowhound discussion where people reported recently getting blind menus, mostly in Europe. One person said
In 2011, a Chowhounder said this about Guy Savoy in Paris
The plural of anecdote is not data.
Mar 18, 2013 12:02 PM
Mar 18, 2013 11:14 PM
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