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mayoyo24

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Mar 8, 2013 1:26 AM
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Passports Issue/ Staying in Spain

Spanish Student Visa Expires (American Passport) is it risky to go Morrocco and come back w/Mexican passport?
My student visa in Spain expires soon, but I have two passports, American, which I'm currently using and Mexican, you are supposed to leave the Schengen Zone for 90 days in order to be able to come back when your Visa expires, but I want to stay extra time in Spain, would it be possible to go to Morocco (exit Spain/Schengen Zone) as an American and come back to Spain with a Mexican passport as a tourist? And if it's possible is it better through Ferry or Airplane? Have you heard about cases like this one? Thank you so much!!

richiavo

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Mar 8, 2013 1:32 AM
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Apart from anything else as a Mexican you need a visa to be in Morocco so the Spanish authorities on re-entry might wonder why you haven't had you Mexican passport stamped or have a visa.

I have no idea about the legality of the whole thing.

mayoyo24

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Mar 8, 2013 2:24 AM
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I don't need a visa as a Mexican to be in Morocco, its posted in the official Mexican govmt. website, what I'm thinking is perhaps entering Morocco with a Mexican passport and re-entering Spain with the Mexican passport as well, the only issue here is the 90 day rule in which I have to be out of Spain but since I have 2 citizenships I am not sure if that counts as well, thank you for your support!

Liberat

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Mar 8, 2013 2:43 AM
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It's not the passport that is allowed 90 days out of 180 in the Schengen-zone, but the person. If they scan your passports, they may find out that it is the same person and then you are in real trouble.

sfgirl42

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Mar 8, 2013 3:32 AM
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To enter Morocco with your Mexican passport you're going to need to book your travel with it. Which means your US passport won't record your departure from Spain and that creates other problems...

Edited by: sfgirl42

mayoyo24

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Mar 8, 2013 4:35 AM
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They just told me in the Extranjeria office (Office for Visitors) that I could leave Spain when the Visa expires and go to for example Morocco and come back with the same U.S. passport and stay 3 extra months as a tourist, getting all sorts of answers from these Govm't. offices so I hope this is 100% legitimate, what do you think?

bjd

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Mar 8, 2013 4:44 AM
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Did they say you have to stay out for 90 days as per the Schengen rules?

mayoyo24

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Mar 8, 2013 5:12 AM
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No, they just said I can leave and come back no problem, which worries me a bit because I keep getting different answers from these Govmn't offices. What do you think? Thank you.

Liberat

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Mar 8, 2013 7:26 AM
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When your visa expires you'll have to leave the country, but coming back as a tourist would probably allow you to stay for another three month. However you would not be allowed to study or to work, jus visiting as a tourist. I would trust the Oficina de extranjeria.

propagande

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Apr 13, 2013 2:42 AM
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I also have the same issue.

Canadian and US passports, and staying right now in Austria.

I'll be going back to the US for a week -- after 70 days in Schengen -- and I'm planning on coming back on my Canadian passport for another 90 days in Schengen.

What I wonder is if the Canadian passport and US passport are linked in the Schengen system? Do they collect your info for visa-free travel based upon your name or passport number?

I don't think I'll have too much trouble in the US because they only want me to pay taxes on goods I bought -- they don't necessarily care that I stayed in Schengen for x number of days.

I assume bureaucratic incompetence -- but you never know what kind of fancy machines they've bought to catch so-called "terrorists."

sfgirl42

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Apr 13, 2013 4:31 AM
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I know the US passport is linked to the US Social Security number. What is your Canadian passport linked to? I think they use numbers rather than names...so if someone had two US passports it would catch the SS number, but in your case, I'd say there's a data wall between the two passports.
Also when you enter, you're entering as a citizen of one country. The person with the other passport is a citizen of another country. Canada and the US have separate diplomatic relationships with the Schengen zone.

propagande

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Apr 13, 2013 5:47 AM
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Canadian passport is linked to the Canadian social -- so there is absolutely no connection to the US passport.

Other than my name, that is.

MTL

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Apr 13, 2013 8:33 AM
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as somebody said above- the 90/180 Schengen rule applies to people, not passports. It doesn't matter whether you have 1, 2 or 7 passports.

So your question is equivalent to: I intend to break the law. If i wear a balaclava, am I less likely to get caught?

I don;t think anybody can give you any guarantees. Obviously it takes a little more work to figure out that you're one and the same person. But it can be done.
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