Four years around the world
Replies: 11 - Last Post: Mar 11, 2013 8:40 AM Last Post By: travelinstyle46
Mar 7, 2013 7:13 PM
Four years around the worldI am leaving to travel around the world. To experience life and beauty of nature. I plan to be gone for 4 years. I wanted to ask the people out there for recommendations on places to go see, short term reliable work (does not matter what), and places to meet people.
In my several years journey the plan is simple.
Travel Europe, all of it, backpacking. Work as much as i can in some areas to gain cash. Before leaving Europe i would like to work with shipping or fishing vessels along the coasts of Europe. Then travel to Asia to do the some but instead i want to be able to find a place to become a Buddhist monk and take a vow of silence. Working with the communities in the area, doing whatever i can to help. Then travel through Australia and the surrounding countries, work is always good. After Australia i would go to the middle east for a short while to see and learn the culture and beauty. Then travel through Africa, maybe serving some time in the UN to help protect areas under land disputes. After traveling through Africa i would choose a place and use the money saved the work around the world to build a school. Teach everything i could and give a chance to those who may not have it. After teaching in Africa i might explore south America and central America but i am uncertain. People to meet and friends to make along the path are always welcome. I wish to take this journey once in my youth then again as an older man with my children as they make there own journey.
Places of nature and natural beauty is the main goal to SEE. I want to be able to say i traveled mother earth and saw the meaning of it all in life.
I know this may not seem a great goal or just stupid but it's my plan. I am not the best in choosing a path but i hope that many have traveled and seen places they could recommend or people they could direct me to.
P.S don't think it stupid to point out obvious locations. help is welcome to make this possible
Edited by: searchinglifestudent
Mar 8, 2013 3:24 AM
1It's a nice plan, but maybe not as feasible as you think.
Finding short term reliable work is not easy. Firstly you are going to need a visa. Then there are the language barriers to overcome, most jobs are going to require you to speak the local language. Plus with unemployment so high you are likely to have a lot of competition for any position. If you manage to earn enough to live off you are going to be doing well, let alone saving money.
Regarding working for the UN, unless you have some kind of skills/qualifications specific for that job, there is very little chance of it happening.
Mar 8, 2013 4:54 AM
2Perhaps volunteering would lead to more job opportunities...?
Four years on the road is a major lifestyle change...essentially going ExPat...
The world is a small place...and everyone is more or less the same... Often the indigenous culture is found only in the countryside...
I would just rent a house or room in a suitable place ...and stay for a very long time in one spot... Constant travel for four years could be exhausting...and you'll tire of tourist places eventually...
The best place to become a Buddhist would be Thailand...very much open to outsiders...
Generally, I think your plans are way too expansive and idealistic... Try to focus on one area or one project at a time... Take lots of photos...they will be of value to you later... Memory fades fast...
Mar 8, 2013 6:09 AM
3I recommend WOOFing (with caveats: Kangaroo Island WWOOFing) in Australia and NZ
"Becoming a Buddhist monk and take a vow of silence" - not an easy thing to do at all. However, you can try it in Chiang Mai Thailand @ Doi Suthep for a week or two. Making the vow however requires not least of all understanding the vow. (The day I met the Buddha, and killed him )
Other than that good luck. I met people on mega journeys that must have seamed crazy to those they spoke to about them. Have no fear it can be done. Also: India... don't miss out especially as this is the home of Buddhism ( Bodh Gaya and the Tree of Enlightenment)
Mar 8, 2013 9:39 AM
4Bashomatsuo, the link you gave for WWOOFing does not have any caveats that I can see other than don't expect a free bed for nothing. The caveat it should have is that it is not legal for a traveller on a tourist visa to WWOOF or the like in many countries.
Is the link your own site? If so you need to correct it to advise the reader that just because WWOOF exists in a country does not mean they are legally allowed to participate. The statement, "is a way of getting around the fact that one may not have a work visa.", is absolutely INCORRECT.
In many countries such as the UK, Spain, the USA, etc. WWOOFing and the like cannot be done be a foreigner without a work permit or visa. WWOOF and the like often do not mention this on their websites. They are in the business of selling memberships and it is not in their interest to tell you that it is illegal to participate. They argue it is 'volunteering', not 'working' but Immigration in many countries do not agree.
So correct your blog to reflect the reality. Many people entering countries have been refused entry when they said they planned to WWOOF or the like. This misconception that you can WWOOF anywhere it exists needs to be stamped out. http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=WWOOF+illegal&oq=WWOOF+illegal&gs_l=serp.3..0i22i30.4704.7480.0.8082.13.10.0.220.127.116.11.1140.3j7.10.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.5.serp.vioivQh5BLc
Mar 8, 2013 9:48 AM
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Mar 11, 2013 2:53 AM
Mar 11, 2013 3:36 AM
Really? I thought I did a good job of warning people, particularly about that place...
The statement, "is a way of getting around the fact that one may not have a work visa.", is absolutely INCORRECT.
YMMV. That was exactly how it was "sold" to us.
I have heard of issues you describe, indeed WWOOFing appears to me to be full of nothing but legends and stories. On the other hand, It's not hard to get a working VISA for Australia and NZ (if one is British and under 30 - as I was... just). However, when we tried to WWOOF in Japan we had a very negative experience with the WWOOFing organisation, which I will be covering on the site in April.
As you asked so nicely - not really - I have put a warning on the bottom of the article using your text.
For the OP, I met a guy (in Agra) who cycled from Aberdeen to Adelaide and then Adelaide to Aberdeen (the other way). He did all this while recovering from ME. I also met a man who walked across Europe, dressed as Charlie Chaplin, and demanded (and got) an audience with the Pope. Sure, your plans need to turn from fantasy into reality - but that's a good thing.
Mar 11, 2013 8:40 AM
11The caveat should be at the beginning of your article, not the end Basho. Frankly, I would guess that some people won't read all the way to the end. I'm sorry if you read a tone into my response that I did not mean to impart. I have no problem with you or your blog. I have a problem with mis-information (however well intended) and a problem with the very apparent unwillingness of WWOOF organizations in some countries to make it clear to potential paricipants that they may not be able to legally participate.
If you start out your article by explaining what WWOOF is and how it works then you should explain it correctly. That includes the fact that it is not necessarily legal and has implications. The first thing anyone considering WWOOF or the like in any country should do is determine if it is legal for them to do so. The same applies to programs like HelpX and WorkaWay.
The Name is no longer Willing Workers on Organic Farms. It started out (1971) as Working Weekends on Organic Farms in the UK. The intent being to encourage city dwellers to visit a farm for a weekend and learn about organic farming. The hope was they would then return home and start buying organic produce. So it was a win/win. The participant had an intersting weekend in the countryside and the farmer did some marketing to get the word out.
Like many things however, it took on a life of its own. People began seeing it as a way to not need to pay for a bed when travelling. They also wanted to stay longer than a weekend. The idea also spread to other countries. So today, it is a business like many others. There is no 'head office' anywhere, there is nothing other than a loose affiliation; there is no regulation of each organization. WWOOF USA for example is owned by one woman who lives in one state (I forget now which one) while the business is registered in another state (California). The WWOOF USA website used to actually tell people to LIE to Immigration when entering the country. Now it has been changed to 'lawyer speak' that you need to be a lawyer to understand what it is saying. Basic translation is, 'WWOOFing is not legal without a proper work permit/visa and we are not responsible for anything that happens to you when you enter the country.' But rather than simply saying that, it hides the reality behind a statement most people will not even understand, assuming they even read it.
The name was changed from 'Weekend Workers' to 'Willing Workers' to adapt to the desire for longer stays. But as more and more countries' Immigration departments started seeing it as 'work', the name was changed yet again to the current name of World Wide Opportunites on Organic Farms. Thus removing the word 'work' altogether.
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