Stay Away from Brazil... New ATM rules limit 300.reais a day.
Replies: 64 - Last Post: Mar 26, 2013 8:38 PM Last Post By: lake_wobegon
Mar 10, 2013 6:33 PM
Mar 11, 2013 12:15 AM
46No offense Iggy, but you are 22yo so, yes, Amobr has probably traveled more than you! It's always been clear to me that she is not Brazilian (her English is far too native!) but she is married to a Brazilian I think. I've always taken her to be about 30/31 because of the '82 at the end of her handle but I might be wrong since she says she has traveled to Brazil for decades!.
Foreigners living in a country make excellent posters as they sometimes see little cultural details that are invisible to natives.
Mar 11, 2013 8:50 AM
47No offense saopedro, but I disagree.
They make excellent posters, however, IMO, there are things that you only understand if you were raised in the specific context. However, since Brazil is so huge, it´s impossible to know all the cultural aspects that differs from region to region. If to a brazilian this is hard, my guess is that a foreigner will have even more trouble with that...
My main problem is the way she talks to people: very authoritarian and rude. Sometimes, even correcting english mistakes. Actually, she doesn´t corrects it, she makes fun of it. That´s not our first language, my dear.
But that is just the opinion of a certain upstart brazilian kid, right?
Mar 11, 2013 11:03 AM
48Since you started this silly p!$$!ng contest, ig, these are the questions that have been posted, typical of any similar period on this forum. None of them require anything "that you only understand if you were raised in the specific context." (i.e. Brazil) or "all the cultural aspects that differs from region to region.", just simply accurate information (bus schedules, a good map) aided by knowledge of the areas involved though personal experience in much the same position as the OP.
Does a foreign traveler need a cell phone for 2 weeks? How to get one?
What neighborhood to stay in for a foreign traveler and what to do in Salvador?
How to get from Jericoacoara to Sao Luis, Maranhao?
How to get to and between several of the Colonial cities in Minas Gerais?
Is Tiradentes a day trip from any major city?
Which of 2 tours out of Manuas to take?
How to participate in Rio Carnaval at the Sambodromo?
What good beach can be accessed after a business trip in S.P.?
Which soccer game to attend?
How does a non-native speaker make him/herself understood while traveling (not just in Brazil)?
What happens if a US passport holder overstays his/her prazo?
What is the weather like on the Amazon in April?
How busy is Paraty during Semana Santa?
Prices and details of Amazon river trip?
How to get from the airport to the bus station in Rio?
I admit that I don't suffer fools gladly.
I suspect that many regular posters on TT, residents of a world with a more expansive horizon than Brazil, have more than one language that they can use correctly and fluently, not a skill that makes one stand out in many cosmopolitan circles.
And so now you're going to reopen more-than-year-old threads elsewhere on the forum just to try to get even through more pointless nit picking? Best of luck.
Mar 11, 2013 1:27 PM
49You're really making an effort to prove me wrong, amobr82! lol
Do I bother you that much? =(
And I didn't reopened that thread, the person above me did. I just wanted to add some new information, because from what you said, people might think that Salvador's beaches are perfect and the ones in Rio are a river of diseases and pollution.
Mar 11, 2013 1:52 PM
50"Do I bother you that much? " Kinda like a pesky, persistent mosquito distracting one and all from the business at hand.....and asking to be swatted before it brings the dengue of foolish posts "that you only understand if you were raised in the specific context."
You're proving your lack of English comprehension again. Or you didn't actually read the post you're gone out of your way to argue with.
Mar 11, 2013 4:23 PM
Mar 11, 2013 7:31 PM
Mar 11, 2013 8:19 PM
Actually, I did read it. Unless you like to swim in other people´s shi.t, I supose you were saying that Salvador´s beaches are clean. You didn´t pointed out which beaches you like to swim, therefore, my guess is that the person who reads it might think that they all are great for a swim. And the link that I posted prove that this isn´t true.
"Beaches in Rio are quite polluted, including even to the level of fecal matter in the sand (as per the major Globo news outlet's stories). Even the beach showers suffer from heavy pollution these days."
Another generalization that might confuse some people. In Rio, some beaches are always improper for swim, specially the ones that have contact with Guanabara Bay. But others aren´t... including the touristy ones. Unless it´s raining too much, Copacabana, Ipanema and Barra are always clean enough for a swim. In the last one, you need to cut out the "Quebra Mar", which is often poluted.
Mar 11, 2013 10:12 PM
54It wasn't Iggy who reopened the old thread unless he and "palhbooks" are one and the same. However, I'm glad it was opened as I'm vicariously enjoying the squabble. It brings some happy childhood memories of bickering with my little brother.
Iggy- I've got to disagree with you about brazilians making better posters because they understand the culture better. IMO you need to have stepped outside a culture to understand it well because when you are inside, many of its features occur natural, invisible or innate. Only a Brazilian who has lived for a long time (say 4-5 years) in another culture will have noticed which features of Brazilian society are uniquely Brazilian and which are more universal. It takes a certain distance from a culture to be able to question and contrast aspects of it.
Mar 12, 2013 7:41 AM
55So let me break it down for you, ig, 'cause your 'unique cultural perspective' and supposedly "widely travelled" 22-year old self just ain't doin' it for ya.......
Americans have choices about where to spend their vacation /travel time and dollars. As do Europeans.
Travelers have been reading for years about crime in Brazil.
Here is a thread telling them there are now problems with access to their money in Brazil.
Hotel prices, especially in Rio, for the type/quality of accomodation most are used to, run U$350/night now. (The government has even started a commission to stop ripoffs.)
Fares from the US are currently about U$1200-1400 RT (east coast cities, more from elsewhere).
It takes from 9 to 14 hours to arrive in Brazil from a US east coast city and more from elsewhere, usually with stops and changes of plane.
You have now trumpeted that the beaches are polluted. (With your 'unique cultural perspective', do you really think foreign travellers can, or are going, to differentiate one from the other within a city, or even at all?)
Does that traveller/vacationer.......
spend 3-4 hours getting to the Yucatan (for one example, but many other destinations in the Carribbean also)
pay U$400 for the roundtrip flight, direct from home city
spend U$50-100/night for comfortable accomodation there
stay at a gorgeous beach, in Tulum for example, with unpolluted white sand and turquoise water
visit the many charming towns with lots of cultural/historic interest
explore the coastal beauty equal to any tropical destination
use ATMs with no problems accessing their money
or go to a Brazil they are unfamiliar with, now having concerns about the conditions above
(For Europeans, you could maybe substitute Turkey or many other destinations for the Yucatan, with same/similar conditions/criteria/pricing.)
So my point is......what end are you serving by your posts? (Also the OP of this one.)
From my point of view, you are only discouraging foreign tourists from visiting Brazil by bringing to their attention in particular the negatives. From my perspective, I know reading about that stuff certainly discouraged me for a long time, and added to my apprehension on my first visits.
So again....which is more important to you, ig: forum-wide recognition of your dubious contributions (insisting on being right all the time at any cost) or encouraging people to visit Brazil (a country that makes me at least want to share my happiness in it with others) by reassuring about the positives and not trumpeting the negatives?
Mar 12, 2013 10:21 AM
56"From my point of view, you are only discouraging foreign tourists from visiting Brazil by bringing to their attention in particular the negatives."
This comes from a person who said "Beaches in Rio are quite polluted, including even to the level of fecal matter in the sand (as per the major Globo news outlet's stories). Even the beach showers suffer from heavy pollution these days."
So... pollution on beach showers must be the new tourist attraction in Rio! LOL
All americans will want to come here to see this!
After that... I'm leaving the discussion, guys.
See you around, old lady!
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