overland from the netherlands to India passing Iran and Pakistan
Replies: 15 - Last Post: Feb 19, 2013 4:01 AM Last Post By: old_india_hand
Feb 11, 2013 3:54 PM
in octobre I'm planning to leave the Netherlands with my old Vw campervan and set my journey heading to India. I will pass Iran and Pakistan.
Because I am going to visit a friend in Gujarat its best and the shortest to go via Karachi. I would like to know two things, first: is it okay to travel via Karachi, heard a lot of stories about the area being unsafe and that you have to travel with protection by police. Second: I have been told that you can not get a double entry visa for Pakistan if its the first time you are visiting the country,if you've been there before you can get a double entry visum. If this is true, that means I will have to travel via China to get back to Europe. Can anyone give me some information concerning this matter ?
A third question : what about sleeping in your campervan, is that allowed,adviseable ? What if you would stay a night in a guesthouse for example, what do you do with your campervan ? Don't want to offend people but unfortunately I have experienced theft out my van when I was some where else. Hope to get some usefull advice,tips.
Feb 11, 2013 6:04 PM
Feb 11, 2013 6:37 PM
2I think it would be a very good idea to check the travel warnings issued by the Netherlands and other Western governments. Otherwise, despite all the kilometers of driving you could save, you might end up with staying a very long time in Pakistan, in particular, without having to deal with visa extensions, hotels, restaurants,and so forth.
Feb 11, 2013 6:57 PM
3You won't be able to get a second Pakistani visa once you leave the Netherlands so..
Feb 12, 2013 3:14 AM
Feb 12, 2013 9:32 AM
Welcome to TT!
If this is true, that means I will have to travel via China to get back to Europe. Can anyone give me some information concerning this matter ?
I'd suggest you to ask in the Asia North East Asia branch (where the experts in China meet):
1) If there's any chance for foreigners to drive in Tibet.
2) If by chance the answer to question 1 is yes, ask about the requirements for foreigners to drive in Tibet and in the rest of China.
Be aware, foreigners can't always travel in Tibet and when they can, they need to get a (special) permit to make it. There's info about those requirements in the North East Asia branch.
Feb 12, 2013 4:09 PM
Feb 15, 2013 3:25 AM
7Driving through Tibet and China in your own vehicle, forget it !
I looked into entering China from Pakistan last year when I was there on the bike and whilst it is , technically, possible, the cost, restrictions and bureaucracy involved make it impracticable for the average overlander. As for Tibet...............................................
I might suggest you consider shipping the van from Mumbai as a more viable alternative.
Feb 15, 2013 3:55 PM
Feb 15, 2013 10:04 PM
Feb 17, 2013 4:44 AM
10''This can be done in China for sure. Enjoy''...............................
Hi Jillback, I'm curious to know how you propose to get your vehicle into China. as my understanding is that independent travel within China in a private , foreign Reg vehicle, is all but impossible. How, for example, will you get around the lack of a CDP ?
Feb 17, 2013 3:07 PM
11Fully guided, expensive, self-drive tours with own vehicle are possible in China.
I met two on the KKH last year (June 2012).
An Australian motorbike guy was going to China and a Spanish family had come from China.
And wow, how they got their 4x4 across the new Attabad Lake - not for the faint of heart !
Feb 18, 2013 3:46 AM
12Yes, I know about the very expensive guided tours, similar to Tibet, you have to have your guide with you at all times and everything has to be arranged months in advance.
I was talking about independent travel.............
I was also on the KKH in May/June last year on my Bullet and crossing the lake from Gulmit is not too bad, the big problem is getting on/off the boat and up from the water on the Attabad side, especially when it's hissing down, as it was when we were there. Even the tractors they use to haul things up and down could not grip on that incredibly steep, fine, black, sandy stuff, a nightmare for sure !
Feb 18, 2013 2:46 PM
13Because of the high cost the Australian biker planned to be less than 1 week in China, he was transiting to the Central Asian Stans.
UB had a problem loading his Bullet at Attabad.
The 4x4 Toyota required a large crane (fortunately nearby) and was overhanging the sides of the small boat !
were you the ‘Brit on a Bullet’ travelling with your partner and recommending apricots and curd for breakfast while at the Medina in Gilgit, May 2012 ?
Feb 19, 2013 3:35 AM
14Yep, that was us, the 2 'silversurfers' on the silver bullet ! Were you the 'vegie' who was struggling to find a meal ?
When we arrived at the lake there was a toyota saloon sat on a boat that had apparently been waiting over a week as they couldn't get it off ! Maybe that's why they brought the crane up, in which case, the guys in the 4x4 were incredibly fortunate.
I know when we looked at entering China with the bike, the cost was over $200 a day, plus, as I said, everything had to have been arranged mths in advance.
I think that explains why most overlanders do just cut straight across the top corner and enter the 'Stans' as fast as poss !
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