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iviehoff

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Feb 10, 2013 3:26 AM
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Pronunciation of -eity

In England, if you sing Hark the Herald, everyone around, as far as I can tell, pronounces deity as day-ity, and it has been thus since I regularly got to sing it in the school choir in the 70s. Likewise sponta-nay-ity. But on one occasion, in the mid 80s, I was singing in Oxford and an erudite gentleman suggested it should be dee-ity and he averred day-ity was some horrible modern mispronunciation. Likewise it should be dee-ify, sponta-nee-ity, though these are rarely heard in England these days. However one does hear dee-ism and dee-ist quite often, perhaps because we are most aware of these words from Richard Dawkins and Archbishops and the like saying them on telly, and they say them like that.

If I look in 30-yr-old copy of Chambers Dictionary I have to hand, it suggests that -ee- is the only pronunciation for all of these. Makes sense really. It isn't -ei- as in beige or ceiling, it's -e-i- as in reiterate. Further, -eity often comes from -eous which is pronounced -ee-us, and in the de- ones from deus which would have been pronounced dee-us in the old English pronunciation. A modern Collins dictionary gives both pronunciations, no doubt reflecting present reality.

So, anyone here say dee-ity, sponta-nee-ity? Is this your dogged persistence, or do other people round you say them like that? What is the geographic extent of -ay-ity and how recent is it?

bjd

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Feb 10, 2013 4:11 AM
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My English is pretty much Canadian and I say -ay-ity. I don't think I have heard anyone say -ee-ity and if I did I would find it odd.

VinnyD

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Feb 10, 2013 6:29 AM
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I say dee-ity but sponta nay-ity.

Do I contradict myself? Very well, I contradict myself. I am large; I contain multitudes.

I don't think I've heard dayism or dayist here, but I could be wrong.

I'll check my hardcopy dictionaries a little later today.

MTL

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Feb 10, 2013 7:32 AM
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The other day i heard 'dee-ity' here in Bombay and it surprised me because i use 'day-' myself. I thought it was just a quaint indianism but perhaps there is more to it...

Merriam-Webster seems OK with both...
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deity

nutraxfornerves

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Feb 10, 2013 8:00 AM
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For what it's worth, I looked at some late 18th & early 19th C. dictionaries.

Johnson's, 1805 (British)
Webster's, 1830 (American)
Sheridan Improved, 1798 (British)

All have dee-ity.


Nutrax

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VinnyD

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Feb 10, 2013 9:14 AM
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As do the first edition of the OED, American Heritage (1969), and Chambers (1981). No ay-ity for eiher deity or spontaneity.

Deixis, on the oher hand. is dike-sis.

I wonder if that will be premoderated?

libbyh

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Feb 10, 2013 12:48 PM
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I say day-ity and spontan-ay-ity in Australia. Don't think I've ever heard the other option.

iviehoff

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Feb 10, 2013 1:38 PM
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Deixis, on the oher hand. is dike-sis.
Being taken direct from the Greek, and completely unrelated in meaning or structure to the other words, we may be unsurprised by that.

sashac001

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Feb 11, 2013 9:01 AM
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Same as Vinny - dee-ity, sponta-nee-ity. And have never heard it otherwise.

ambarush

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Feb 11, 2013 1:02 PM
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day-ity and all others are "day" also. Haven't heard dee-ity in Ireland

iviehoff

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Feb 11, 2013 2:11 PM
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Same as Vinny
That's not quite what he said. Where are you that retains this older pronunciation?

sashac001

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Feb 11, 2013 3:06 PM
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Oops - I wrote it wrong - sponta-nay-aty.

Born and raised in Maryland.

RayCCroc

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Feb 11, 2013 3:57 PM
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I say dayity and spontanayity but there's little difference to the sounds in Scotland. The laity in their gaiety rhyme deity and spontaneity.

dawutthegiant

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Feb 12, 2013 12:56 AM
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I say dee-ity and spontanay-ity. Born in New York, raised in Midwest and Northwestern US. The reason for this apparent contradiction is that according to the spelling I was taught (and I competed in spelling bees) the words are deity and spontanaeity, similar to gaeity. thus the extra a, giving it an ae vowel sound instead of just e, makes the difference. No idea on the history of pronunciation, though.

iviehoff

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Feb 12, 2013 5:19 AM
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spontanaeity, similar to gaeity. thus the extra a, giving it an ae vowel sound instead of just e, makes the difference
There can be no parallel between these words because the latter is correctly spelled gaiety.*

I do recall seeing spontanaeity written before, but I have always thought that written thus implied spontanæity which made it made it -ee- for certain, as in encylopædia and mediæval. This would reflect the original (late) Latin stem can be written either spontanae-us or spontane-us.

*Further, although we got gay/gaiety from French, the word is originally German not Latin.
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