Best USA Roadtrip?
Replies: 35 - Last Post: Feb 9, 2013 4:05 PM Last Post By: ianw6705
Feb 8, 2013 5:35 AM
30Sorry ian, but "In the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave, you should be able to raft on any darn river you feel like." IS an opinion (i.e. you should be able to raft wherever you want).
And, in fact, you CAN raft anywhere you want including the Colorado River. No one owns the river itself, that's public domain, but the shoreline is owned by many different entities and access to the river can be restricted (mostly by fenced off private property similar to your desription of Sydney Harbour and not by government regulations).
Your response implies that regulations prevnet you from "rafting anywhere you want." which is also untrue. You can raft anywhere you want but you have to follow the rules and regulations. However, most navigable rivers in the U.S. are managed by some entity or combination of entities and there are rules that apply to use of them, but you aren't prohibitied from using them except in a very few extreme cases (rivers flowing through or near sensitive military installations, areas near dam intakes or river sections used as industrial ship canals).
Feb 8, 2013 9:34 PM
31Sorry ian, but "In the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave, you should be able to raft on any darn river you feel like." IS an opinion (i.e. you should be able to raft wherever you want).
It wasn't my opinion ... I was simply stating one of three (at least) prevailing ideologies that operate with respect to water/river rights - that so often come into conflict with each other ... so not my thoughts, just a description of what some people say and feel. But anyway - enough I guess, given it is seriously off-topic!
But are you saying that anyone can put a water craft in at Lees Ferry, and paddle all the way to Lake Mead, without someone having regulations to stop them?
Feb 9, 2013 6:39 AM
32Well ianw, I believe thou dost protest too loudly. I'd like to give you the beneift of the doubt and try to believe that the words you wrote weren't your words. But if not your words, why did you present them as if they were?
As for your questions: You don't seem to want to believe anyone but your uninformed self, so I suggest you contact the U.S. Park Service directly, get their response, then report back here with their (not your) answer about who cana nd cannot use the Colorado River. However, given your literary history of late, please respond with references to written material on the subject for verification of any claims you make.
Until then, carry on.
Feb 9, 2013 7:06 AM
33Never mind ianw, I did it for you. Here is the excerpt from the Park Service website:
12 to 25 Day Noncommercial River Trips. These are self-guided raft trips, sometimes referred to as private river trips. Permits for these trips are made available to the public through a weighted lottery.
Go here to check it out http://www.nps.gov/grca/planyourvisit/whitewater-rafting.htm
Feb 9, 2013 7:53 AM
Yes you should. At least i should.
running a river rafting service is a different equation, but I should be able to raft down any river i want any time it does not affect the fishes etc..
I'm an American and that is my opinion.(wink)
Feb 9, 2013 4:05 PM
35Well ianw, I believe thou dost protest too loudly. I'd like to give you the beneift of the doubt and try to believe that the words you wrote weren't your words. But if not your words, why did you present them as if they were?
I can only provide you with the truth and the facts ... I can't force you to accept them (I used to work for the federal government - so I learnt this lesson very thoroughly). Some people when they adopt an attitude and a position Bob - just can't ever change, no matter how much evidence they are provided with.
And yet again, you support my line of reasoning and conjecture (not an opinion or an argument) - to be able to raft privately down the Colorado River through the Grand Canyon is subject to severe regulation - precisely because there are far too many people who want to do and have the capacity to do it, and the river couldn't handle such numbers.
Or possibly more relevantly, the rafting companies don't want too much competition on "their" patch.
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