Be aware of beggers in
Replies: 14 - Last Post: Feb 14, 2013 1:34 AM Last Post By: Doss
Feb 2, 2013 8:33 AM
Be aware of beggers inAt the entrance to pub street in Siem reap there is a mart called WE Mart. You will notice many women along the street with babies and also children begging. They don't beg for money,rather they beg for you to buy them or their child a meal or baby formula. This is a scam!!! After watching them for a while from a bar across the street we realised how many people are in on the act and also how many people were being guilted in to buying things from this shop. We then watched the beggar walk up the street and hand the purchase to someone else and then watch that person return it back to the store! The store is fooling many tourists with its beggars!
Feb 2, 2013 5:44 PM
Feb 2, 2013 8:48 PM
Feb 3, 2013 8:46 AM
3Neaksray - I understand your heartfelt rant . But it is a scam.
At the end of the day they are supporting the victimisation of kids & jobless mothers by organised gangs) and it puts tourists off from giving to genuine mothers who have hungry children.
Just a little tip for anyone who wants to buy food for a begging mother - Rip open the packaging so they can't return it. That way the kids will get fed and the gang-pimps don't get their cut.
Feb 3, 2013 2:20 PM
Feb 4, 2013 6:18 AM
5Yeah jonappleton - It has two-fold satisfaction as you get to see the delight on the kids faces when they realise they'll actually get to keep it and the look of disappointment on the faces of their 'pimps'.
To OP - be careful of naming-and-shaming the store. You can't assume the WE Mart is to blame as proprietors are frequently forced into this collusion.
Feb 4, 2013 3:21 PM
Feb 5, 2013 3:09 AM
7I don't know who the alleged gangs are , Here is some more opinion : http://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/10/dont-give-that-child-a-dollar/
Feb 5, 2013 6:14 AM
Feb 6, 2013 5:30 PM
9I saw one fellow near Pub St in Siem Reap last month, and he had his arms amputated at the elbow. He was holding a cigarette between the two stumps, which I thought was quite amazing. He was selling some books and other items, I kinda felt for the guy and wanted to buy something but I'd already read a couple of the books he had that were of interest to me. Seemed like a friendly enough fellow too, and spoke a bit of English.
Feb 6, 2013 5:49 PM
10Re #10 A sad legacy of the Khmer Rouge and the other regimes who put down the millions of landmines in Cambodia.
Feb 7, 2013 2:44 AM
11" What do you want....names???? FFS.To state the bleeding obvious for you:" Well thank you for haring your in depth perception to someone who has lived in Cambodia for 16 years, is married to a Cambodian with 2 children and speaks fluent Cambodian. For your information they do not grow up"too quick" on the contrary they are malnourished, have no safety net, and have no viable future in this country. That they resort to hustling does not surprise me, but of course you come from a country that supports the rural poor at least minimally. To make them sound like the crips, the bloods and hell's angels combined is indicative of someone who should contribute their wisdom on tripadviser with the other old ladies. It's not big enough to be considered a scam; it's simply a hustle born out of despair. But you know nothing of this; as a touron you feel you have immunity to the economic catastrophies that plague this country. As for the kids they won't go to school anyway and the parents know correctly that the government doesn't care about them. Don't bring your stinking bourgeois values to this country and whine about a situation over which the poor have no control. And as for the notion that they are being manipulated by gangs is absurd. They are simply trying to make ends meet in an environment that neglects them. The crux of the matter is this, if you give; you will not eliminate the poverty and if you don't you will not destroy it,, so FFS( to use your verbiage) please talk about an issue when you have knowledge of the situation.
Try not to pontificate until you've lived here for a long time. FFS.
Feb 7, 2013 6:08 AM
Well, why didn't you just express that opinion? Rather than ask me a question you knew I wouldn't be able to answer?
Please don't presume my ignorance. I commented based on what I've read (unesco, friends-international, etc, etc), what I've been told, and what I saw. If you haven't noticed the manipulation & victimisation of kids & women on the streets of Cambodia after 16 years of living there then maybe try opening your eyes a little wider.
And if you wish to associate the term 'organsied gangs' with 'hell's angels' then that's upto you. I don't assume everyone else here does.
On that point, I also think you misunderstand the term 'grow up too quick" - It means, more or less, what you've said to the contrary.
And don't come down on me because of where I'm from, that's plain fucklng wrong - especially on a travel forum.
Feb 13, 2013 2:21 AM
13"Yeah jonappleton - It has two-fold satisfaction as you get to see the delight on the kids faces when they realise they'll actually get to keep it and the look of disappointment on the faces of their 'pimps'."
In my experience the kids actually get really pissed when you rip open the packaging. Either they're out the money (which they'd much rather have) or far more often the person they're working for is out the money and he'll take it out on the kid.
It's a nice idea, pulling one over on the scammer like that, but in reality it generally backfires. After all, if that was a consequence free option the kid would just eat the food himself. If you want to help, the better option is to offer the kid a plate of noodles from one of the nearby stands. It'll be a better meal than the can of milk or whatever else he pulled from the shelf anyway.
Feb 14, 2013 1:34 AM
I disagree. I think actually supporting such scams does nothing to help these people and the whole idea of ripping open the packaging would put a complete end to it. Also, scams like this often start when an opportunist sees a genuine 'begger' succeeding in obtaining something (in this case the child's meal/milk) so pulling one over on the scammers will give rise to a genuinely delighted person somewhere (and I have seen this happen from experience).
I couldn't agree more. Of course, anyone 'in the know' would do this. But my original advice was aimed at people who fall for this scam ("born suckers", to quote another OP) .
Personally - I'll buy fruit, cut it up into a a nice little fruit salad - then sit down with street kids and share it.
But that's only because I'm selfish as a) I enjoy their company, and b) it gives me a feeling of well-being :P
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