Money money money...
Replies: 33 - Last Post: Jan 19, 2013 6:26 AM Last Post By: soylentyellow
Dec 21, 2012 2:25 PM
Dec 21, 2012 10:06 PM
16If you rent a flat think about that up to the rental price you need an insurance, some money for heating, electic (maybe gas too) and TV (including Internet) connection. If you have a long term contract for work, once in the yaer you can make a statement (Lohnsteuerjahresausgleich) and get some money back from the taxes you paid before. In and outside Frankfurt, in any place and surrounding you will find cheap supermarkets for food, in any village nice restaurants for cheap lunch or dinner (Gasthof or Gasthaus) with typical and local products. If you need to buy clothes wait for the two times in the year where soldes are gojng on (called Winter or Sommer Schluss Verkauf) with big reductions. What will give you for a short time headaches is that we drive on the wrong side (seeing with your experiences) of the streets. Concerning short trips over the weekends there is a second airport called Frankfurt-Hahn. About 120km far from FRA. Here you have some low cost companies flying all over Europe for cheap. Just one question: What about your visa?
Dec 22, 2012 12:20 AM
17The job would sort out the visa. If they decide to make me an offer they'll so so knowing they need to arrange a work visa for me. It's one of the things not in my favour.
The driving on the wrong side won't bother me. Before Japan I was in China for 5 years. In theory they drive on the right, in practice they drive wherever the hell they feel like! I had no great problems there. As mentioned earlier I wouldn't plan to drive myself. I'll buy a bike.
Thanks for the other tips. I've been emailing with some German friends and I do think this sounds like a great opportunity for me. The place itself might be a little boring but as #15 notes that may make it a good match for me. Now I just need to wait and see if they make me the offer.
Thanks again to everyone who replied. One of the other options I'm considering is Azerbaijan and I got hardly any responses to my questions on that branch. Everyone here has been really helpful.
Dec 22, 2012 6:53 AM
I live in Bonn in Germany as a British Expat. I get €48k gross. If I had your salary, I could run a decent car too (like a new Audi A3 or something).
Google parmentier tax income for an english language german tax calculator.
I strongly second the toytowngerman forum that's already been cited - they'll help you drill down into specifics far more than this forum. :-)
My 70 sq metre (balcony to seat 4) + high quality hardwood floor 1 bed flat is 1000 a month adfter all bills (NB: that includes an elevator which you have to pay extra for + renting the kitchen - a curious German quirk. Bonn is an above average cost town. As others have said, you're on a nice salary, especially with no dependents.
Dec 22, 2012 7:03 AM
Dec 22, 2012 7:05 AM
20Sigh, I will try again.
60k is a good salary, I get 48. You'd be more than fine. Check http://www.parmentier.de/steuer/incometax.htm to figure out your net take home, and I definitely recommend the previously mentioned toytowngermany forum to drill down into specifics, particularly for your local area.
Who is it? SAP? :)
Dec 22, 2012 7:24 AM
21He's a teacher, so my guess is an international school around Frankfurt.
Dec 22, 2012 8:25 AM
22Did you get a message saying you are not allowed to post on the thread Fwoggie? I have had that a few times and then you try again and it goes through. I think it is just a software glitch.
Speaking of what side of the road they drive on, time for a little lighter comment or two on this thread.
I have lived in countries where they drive on the wrong (left) side of the road as well as countries where they drive on the right side of the road. Enough that I am comfortable driving on either (not both at the same time though). I now refer to myself as 'ambiroadius'. Definition, a driver who is the equivalent of ambidextrious.
Regarding Chinese who drive where they like purpletreefrog, I know what you mean. When I lived in Greece it did not take me long to discover that all roads in Greece have 3 lanes. The one going north; the one going south; the imaginary one down the middle that is used to pass a bus going up hill and round a blind corner.
In fact I wrote an article some years ago about driving in Greece. It got picked up by a few publishers including a local English language paper on Crete. (Monthly publication aimed at tourists) I was particularly flattered when they called me and asked to publish it, saying I had 'really captured Greek thinking.' You might enjoy a read of it. Here is an online copy.
Dec 22, 2012 9:34 AM
23That idea about showing how much tax you paid to justify buying a car is pretty clever actually. I enjoyed the article.
As noted by #21 I'm a teacher although I'm also a she.
Thanks again for all the tips. If I get the offer I'll definitely check out those calculators but for now all your responses have made it clear to me that this is affordable even in what is apparently one of the most expensive cities in the world.
By the way Fwoggie you probably couldn't run a car AND pay an Australian mortgage given the strength of our dollar and our crazy interest rates.
Dec 22, 2012 10:02 AM
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Jan 11, 2013 2:36 AM
27I moved over from the UK to work in Frankfurt a couple of years ago on less money than what you have been offered.
I live quite comfortably and have never struggled with money.
I don't have a car or too expensive a taste but still like to go out, eat out, travel back and forth to UK.
My rent is 520Euros warm for a studio just outside Frankfurt, monthly travel pass is around 65Euros, mobile 30Euros, internet 30ish.
Compare to London where I grew up, Frankfurt is small and sometimes feels like a small town. (This is said as a positive).
I am Japanese and used to live just outside Tokyo as well so at first, found Frankfurt a bit small for me to handle.
However, once you get used to it, it's great how most places are a walking distance.
One thing I still haven't got used to is that the shops aren't open late or on Sundays and this is weird when you are used to the 24hr lifestyle.
Frankfurt is a hub so easy to get to places (even though the transport system is worse than the image I had of German efficiency).
There are lovely towns and villages within an hour or so.
Leaving at the end of the month but have thoroughly enjoyed living in Germany.
Jan 11, 2013 2:49 AM
Jan 11, 2013 8:23 AM
29"my salary allows me to live reasonably, travel frequently (in modest style) and pay my mortgage back in Australia. I'm after another job that will let me do the same."
It always amuses me when people responding to a thread like this one, ASSUME what the OP means by 'live reasonably' or 'travel frequently' etc.
What one person considers living reasonably (ie. a 520E studio or a 70 sq. metre, 1000E one bed apartment; no car or a cheaper car; etc. vs. a 140 sq. metre house and a new Porsch) or travel frequently (ie. hostels and supermarkets vs. 5 star hotels and restaurants, etc.).
We have no way of knowing what the OP means by those comments and yet people go ahead and ASSUME that the OP means what they mean by those terms.
I consider a 1500 sq. ft. (140 sq. metre) house to be adequate. Some people can't imagine living in less than twice that. I consider buying and driving a new car for several years adequate and it doesn't have to be a Rolls Royce. Others expect to change cars every 2 years. I consider travelling a couple of times a year transatlantic in economy class acceptable and staying in 3-4 star hotels ok. Others expect to travel more often and stay in no less than a 4 star hotel. Who knows what the OP expects? We haven't been told.
For this reason, it makes no sense to say, 'it's enough' or 'you will live well.' That's what Cost of Living Comparison sites are for. They allow you to put in what you earn in A and compare it to what it will buy in B. Nor does the cost of living tell you everything you need to know. Often, the Quality of Living also has to be looked at. it covers different factors than just cost. Frankfurt ranks much higher than Tokyo in this regard and as the OP is moving from Tokyo, this difference might mean being willing to accept a bit less money for a bit more quality of life. http://www.mercer.ca/press-releases/quality-of-living-report-2011 But that's up to the OP to decide.
I don't think anyone should be trying to tell the OP that s/he will 'live well' on any given amount of money.
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