has a Thai Doctor ever taken your pulse?
Replies: 33 - Last Post: Dec 13, 2012 5:04 PM Last Post By: deeral
Dec 9, 2012 10:11 AM
15BTW - what were the sutures like?
They were excellent and he hardly has a scar. Actually the standard of care my Dad received was unbelievably good, of course as soon as my Dad returned to the UK he was transferred into the care of the NHS. By the way, he had a dislocated shoulder and fractured humerus.
Some of the best Orthopedic surgeons in the North-West of England have looked at the work of this Thai surgeon. These surgeons said the level of precision of the placing of the screws, the fact that he had no nerve or muscle damage at all from the surgery and that my Dad got complete and full rotation back in his arm is unbelievable and said the Thai surgeon did a fantastic job which couldn't have been bettered in the UK.
Dec 9, 2012 3:52 PM
Dec 9, 2012 3:54 PM
Dec 9, 2012 6:00 PM
18i agree with you in theory, thailand is not up to par for medical, though relative to what you are comparing it to. 1st hand knowledge or very close personal friends is all we have to go on. my experience at bum crap in bkk, was horrible, and probably because of the doc, not the overall facility. but comparing pricing, i wouldn't go there no matter what, excellent or not, as can find excellent elsewhere for far less. most common procedures costing 5-10 times more there. though i don't need a fluent english staff or hand holding. though i never can understand the docs from india in the states either...........LOL
those comparing to the USA healthcare without extensive 1st hand knowledge, or ever experiencing it, is basically useless. anyone can point out the pros and cons of any healthcare system in any country. i certainly can't and wouldn't form an opinion about NHS in the UK. there are excellent and terrible docs/hospitals in any plan.
one advantage to me living in thailand, not insured, i don't have to float it by anyone, pick the best and pay......done deal. or hop back to states, non emergency/elective and research, then pick and gov't insurance picks up the tab. medicare, again, good and bad, have to do your research.
general observation and background knowledge is fairly worthless, same as hearsay in a pub, or, 'i read it in a magazine. in any country, when needing non emergency health threatening care, you source the best doc and facility for the job, same as in the states, same as thailand, and if insured, you have to work around what they allow. intense research needed. i've sourced docs in an area, found out what hospitals they practice at, then picked the hospital, and float that by the insurance company, and you have the team that will slice and dice you. sourcing the anesthesiologist also, a must.
if you go with a package deal at any said hospital, then you get what you deserve. in emergency situation, simply pray, if conscious, possibly demand a phone call and your partner knows who and where to go, in an emergency..........obviously limited choices, if any.
living in udon thani, i've already sourced an internal surgeon/general, and anesthesiologist, just in case, and partner knows and has contact numbers in an emergency. luckily, good gene pool and no health issues, if i did, i sure wouldn't have retired here. know people who have returned, simply for that reason, a bit older, now have issues, and don't want to roll the dice here in an emergency. cardio issues, or a mix of issues, that would be a problem when combined in an emergency.
to base your opinion on your thoughts of a doc, having hands on examination/pulse is lame at best. have you had care or surgery here, i have, and satisfied. you do seem to be a bit prejudice in your opinion of all things thai. i quite like the DIY healthcare here, and it is not for everyone, and not recommended without decent knowledge of your body and health care. most times i diagnose and treat myself better than the 'professionals' here and usually only use them as a 2nd opinion if i feel the need. they have yet to do a better job than myself, except for the surgery of course. i won't be attempting that.....LOL.
Dec 9, 2012 7:06 PM
Dec 9, 2012 7:26 PM
Uninsured? Wow, scary! Better hope you don't have a heart attack or stroke needing bypass or neuro surgery - you won't be rushing to Swampy or anywhere else to get back to the USA, and you should check the fees for such care.
Run-of-the-mill stuff here is at very reasonable cost, I agree with you - but major stuff? Cheaper, yes Cheap, absolutely not. A colleague had Quad ByPass Surgery in Samitivej Suk last year. Including a 10 day stay his total bill was Baht 620,000. Much cheaper than Cedars-Sinai, sure, but not the sort of cash the average Thailand retiree has floating around - and an awful lot of insurance premiums!
Dec 10, 2012 8:31 AM
Dec 10, 2012 12:29 PM
I had a great primary care doc here at Kaiser in N. California, Dr Suksong from Thailand. The good doctor decided to move back to Thailand a few years ago, as he said he could lead a much better quality of life there than he could working for a giant HMO in the States. Was very sorry to see him go...
Dec 10, 2012 6:41 PM
23Uninsured? Wow, scary!......not really. I have a cash reserve just for emergency health issue. As I have no faith in an insurance company actually paying for any life threatening issue, as they will simply say it’s pre-existing. So taking that logic, and sadly, very true logic, good coverage is approx. 1500 USD a year, last time I priced it, been here 13 years, so I’ve saved 600 k baht by not having insurance. There isn’t much that won’t pay for. Quite frankly, wouldn’t spend more than a mill baht anyway, unless they could guarantee well over 5 years of good living. At my age, I’m not spending the kids inheritance for a few years of just holding on.
As I said, good gene pool, no cardio problems in the family history, everyone dies of self-inflicted cancers, lung and liver, as a family of alkys and chain smokers, which I do neither. Father just missed 70, mother 74, the rest all died the same. A sad generation.
I get a full physical every year or 18 months, so should catch anything early, that would require any intense treatment, and fly back to states for that and receive the best care philly or Detroit has to offer, as niece is an ER doc in detroit and friends in the medical fields in philly. So would pick the best team medicare would pay for. Think I covered all bases. Living in UT, and out of town at that, I wouldn’t expect to survive a major heart attack or want to survive a major stroke. So that’s a non issue. If developing cardio problems, I would move back to states with no problem. Those that come here without such a plan, or having health issues, need to be heavily insured and leaving near good health services or they risk their lives. Simple as that.
I don’t trust an insurance company to honor any claim, as I have yet to have one do so. I’ve had to sue every insurance company for claims (4), gov’t and private, as the bean counters know larger profits are made by not honoring their policies. “sue us, if you can” is their logic, and it works.
Dec 11, 2012 1:04 AM
24I think you should review the prices charged here for major treatments.......you'll get a nasty shock.....as well as some second rate treatment. Without health insurance you chances of receiving appropriate treatment are considerably reduced too.
You also might want to consider the ethics that come into play ib an unregulated health system faced with a potentially terminal patient with only limited insurance......in short YOU"RE DOOMED!
PS - getting an annual "full physical" is the idiot's approach to healthcare - the hospitals just love selling packages of unnecessary tests to unsuspecting punters. In most case they are next to worthless.
PPS - no amount of "full physicals"l will protect you from an RTA and if you are unconscious and can't tell them you have a wad in your shoe-box, God help you.
Dec 11, 2012 1:34 AM
25sorry, not an idiot, i pick the tests and procedures, though there package usually includes everything i want, for a bit less. camillian/deluxe program is my usual. full ultrasound abdom, CEA AFP PSA EKG, all the blood work up, and that's about all i need.
trust me, i know what i'm doing. i guess your reading comprehension missed that part.
you really have lost credibility with youR '1st hand' and 'full exam' mean nothing. or should i skip the full exam, and wait till i get cancer, or a cardio blockage, and then treat them.
good luck with your plan. professionals have adviced me and agree with my plan. you may want to read that again.
Edited by: udornla
Dec 11, 2012 9:55 PM
26udornia, I think you can see by now that arguing with this fool is pointless. There are people who take ownership of their own matters like their health, monitoring it and being prepared to take care of things themselves, versus the type who don't trust themselves to do anything and put everything in the hands of someone else. That sort of statist thinking is so thick as to be impenetrable.
A perfect example was his statement that "First hand experience is really pretty worthless unless it is connected to some more general observation and background knowledge" - completely backwards. Indeed, in the absence of other outside information one's first hand experience is invaluable. Even in the presence of supplemental information one's first hand experiences are invaluable to test and judge other inputs.
That quote is so fantastically stupid that I made it my signature.
Dec 12, 2012 12:36 AM
27In Thailand "professionals" means hard sell medical care, whether you need it or not.
do some reading on the health check scams before you waste your money.
Dec 12, 2012 1:21 AM
28hard sell is a bit rough, though they do tend to recommend test that aren't exactly necessary. i really don't need to read anything about thai health care, i live here, and experience. never pressured to buy anything. the little lady had some tests recommended, i thought were useless and not need, and simply declined. no problems or hard sell.
deerai.........have you ever needed or used thai health facilities. i've had surgery here, some maintenance things, till i figure how to do myself, and the annual check ups so you have any experience or simply going on written or bar hearsay.
there is no health check scam where i go, you pick the program that has the tests you want, or don't, add extras, if not wanting to step up to the next fixed program, and your done. real simple, they offer, you pic. i'm closing in on 60, and none have yet, actually surprising, but haven't tried to sell the upper level, which includes all the cardio/resp check up, as i feel unnecessary for myself. i do a good aerobic exercise, and recover within a minute, bp and breathing, telling me, my cardio and respiratory are basically fine. so no need for machine hook up to tell me the same. ekg tells me everything is firing correctly, the rest is as mentioned already.
you seem fixated on what you don't know or haven't experience.
Edited by: udornla
Dec 12, 2012 7:08 AM
29you pick the tests you want - and how does anyone - medically unqualified as they are - decide what they want? They listen to the sales spiel of the hospital.
check out the marketing campaigns aimed at farang.
Of course a good salesman makes his sale without his mark realising he/she has been pressurised into anything........with healthcare fear and paranoia are his best friends though.
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