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Varlope

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Nov 29, 2012 7:57 AM
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Europe first timer itinerary

Hi,

I will be going on my first trip to europe from may 14 to june 19 2013. I tried to make a realistic itinerary and i would be really grateful is anynone bothered to comment on it :)

I'll fly from Montreal to Berlin on may 13 and will be in Berlin early in the morning of may 14. My itinerary goes like this:

Berlin - 5 days (3 full days)
Prague - 5 days (3 full days)
Vienna - 5 days (3 full days with a day trip to Bratislava)
Salzburg - 4 days (2 full days)
Munich - 5 days (3 full days)

I plan to take a night train to venice from munich

Venice - 3 days (2 full days)
Bologna - 4 days (2 full days)
Florence - 5 days (3 full days)
Rome - 8 days (6 full days)

I'm flying out from rome to montreal on June 19

Does this itinerary make any sense? am i overstaying in some places or should i spend more time in certain cities?

Also do you think it would be cheaper to buy a rail pass or to be the tickets individually as i go?

thank you for your time i am thrilled to go to europe but i'm also a little bit nervous because i have nerver planned such a long trip

neckervd

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Nov 29, 2012 8:22 AM
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If you want to visit big cities only and none of the stunning European landscapes and small places, your itinerary makes perfectly sense. 4 nights each for Salzburg and Bologna is rather too much, unless you choose these towns as bases for day trips to other places.
Point to point tickets will most probably be cheaper than a railpass. Sometimes huge discounts if you buy tickets in advance
https://www.bahn.de/i/view/DEU/en/index.shtml
http://www.oebb.at/en/index.jsp
http://www.fsitaliane.it/homepage_en.html

Varlope

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Nov 29, 2012 9:39 AM
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Thank you for your quick reply :)

As for seeing ''none of the stunning European landscapes and small places'' I would be more than happy to spend a couple of days in a smaller place and maybe cut a big city but i must admit that my knowledge is kind of limited. If you have any suggestions i would sureley take them into consideration. The only fixed places in my intinerary is Berlin at the start and Rome at the end.

MTL

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Nov 29, 2012 11:17 AM
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Sounds pretty good but I agree, too many cities.

WaterhazardJack

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Nov 29, 2012 1:34 PM
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Berlin - 5 days (3 full days)
Prague - 5 days (3 full days)
Vienna - 5 days (3 full days with a day trip to Bratislava)
Salzburg - 4 days (2 full days)
Munich - 5 days (3 full days)

Looks good to me, assuming I understand your 'full day' concept properly...for example, I'm reading that as you mean to arrive in Salzburg on day 1, have 2 full days and then leave on day 4...from Prague, Salzburg and Munich there are plenty of possible day-trips, if you have an itch to get out of the city...

Varlope

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Nov 29, 2012 8:50 PM
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Yes i consider a full day to be a day without transportation check-in etc

I still have a lot a research to do but i could indeed try to make a couple days trips out of major cities

thanks!

lucapal

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Nov 29, 2012 11:16 PM
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Not bad...based on my interests at least ;-)...and not too fast.

Agree with necker that the time in Bologna is rather a lot...but of course you can do daytrips from there (eg Ravenna or Ferrara...two great options).

lucapal

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Nov 29, 2012 11:19 PM
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On the railpass...the only way to know is to add up the individual legs and then compare.

As said above,if you book point to point tickets in advance you can get discount prices.

However you trade cost for freedom..personally I would rather fly into Berlin,see how I like it and take it from there.No need to book all the accommodation in advance,no fixed dates and so....no advance train tickets!

Aribo

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Nov 30, 2012 1:52 AM
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Yesterday there was a person who wanted to visit 4 (5 if you include Vatican City) countries in 8 days, so you can imagine I was deeply touched when I saw you're actually spending 3-4 full days in most places that aren't all 500km+ apart ;-) Having said that, I agree that a trip to Europe just isn't complete if you only visit bigger cities.

If I understand your definition of "full day" correctly, doesn't that mean that you're counting travel days twice?

In your current plan you've allowed plenty of time to take a good look at every place at a leisurely pace, in fact I find 5 days for Vienna and 4 for Bologna even a bit too much; on the other hand, your current schedule does allow for day trips to smaller towns or into the country (I wouldn't bother with day trips to the capital of another country - admittedly based on second-hand information, Bratislava wouldn't be my first choice if I'd go to Slovakia, even though it's temptingly close for a day trip from Vienna).
Also - something you may want to consider when you decide on the rail pass vs point-to-point issue - most of the cities on your list aren't too far apart. Since you have already allowed for a whole travel day (perhaps two, if my assumption in the 2nd paragraph is correct), you could take a faster train (= more expensive unless you book a non-changeable discounted ticket in advance) but you could just as well chose to travel by slower trains that don't need to be booked in advance, and make a stopover somewhere enroute, either for lunch and a short walk, or for an overnight stay.

neckervd

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Nov 30, 2012 2:58 AM
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Smaller places in btween (you can't visit them all; just in order to give you some ideas, google for them):

Berlin - Prague:
Wittenberg, Halle, Leipzig, Naumburg, Muehlhausen/Thueringen, Erfurt, Weimar, Dresden, Fichtelgebirge, Elbsandsteingebirge....

Prague - Vienna:
Karlstein, Cesky Krumlow, Brno....

Vienna - Salzburg:
Melk, Mauthausen, Salzkammergut (Hallstadt, Traunsee, Bad Ischl, St. Wolfgang ..).....

Salzburg - Munich:
Herrenchiemsee castle

Munich - Venice:
Oberammergau/Linderhof castle, Garmisch/Zugspitze, Ettal Monastery, Wieskirche, Mittenwald, Hohenschwangau, Innsbruck, Sterzing, Brixen, Bozen, Val Gardena, Alta Badia, Parchi Nazionali delle Dolomiti, Verona, Lake Garda......

Venice - Florence:
Padova, Ferrara, Mantova, Ravenna, San Marino, Parma .....

Florence - Rome:
Lucca, Siena, Volterra, Tarquinia, Chiusi, Orvieto, Perugia, Assisi....

Varlope

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Nov 30, 2012 7:17 AM
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thanks a lot for your help!

To clarify the concept of a ''full day'' lets say i plan to stay in Berlin from may 14 to may 18 and in Prague from may 18 to may 23. If take the train from Berlin to Prague on may 18, that day is not considered a ''full day'' in neither Berlin or Prague.

I'd rather spend a little to much time in a place than not enough. I know that one of these days i'll just feel like sitting in a park reading a book for a whole aftenoon :). I'll definitely make some more research on possible days trips. Thanks a lot for your suggestions. Ravenna is a place that i would actually love to see but i didnt think it could be done on a day trip!

lucapal

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Nov 30, 2012 7:21 AM
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Its a nice city to stay over in of course,but its only 1 hour to 1.20 minutes each way on the train from Bologna,so its certainly possible as a day trip....

Jacen17

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Nov 30, 2012 12:12 PM
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One month rail pass may be cheaper if you're under 25...add up the legs and do the math when you have it figured out.

lucapal

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Nov 30, 2012 10:59 PM
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I fear sarcasm may be lost on this OP......
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