Safety in Egypt / seek updated information
Replies: 54 - Last Post: Dec 8, 2012 6:18 AM Last Post By: Kulafey
Nov 28, 2012 7:59 AM
Nov 28, 2012 8:31 AM
Nov 28, 2012 8:46 AM
32Especially since the link to the photos is misleading. You clearly state - "Check out the pics of the recent protest." Is it that 'recent' to you means nearly two years ago? - since they are of the events at the end of the reign of Mubarak in beginning of 2011, not the last week or so.
Yet again you prove yourself to be ill-informed, biased, deceptive and willing to mislead for your own ends. You must have a poor opinion of, amongst other things, the OP and other posters who you appear to think are naive fools.
Or is it that you just haven't got the hang of Google yet?
Nov 28, 2012 11:39 AM
Nov 28, 2012 12:02 PM
Nov 29, 2012 2:16 AM
35I'm going to Cairo in two weeks, and I don't mind demos and some trouble in the streets as long as people aren't having a go at passing tourists. I presume that's not the case?
As someone who's interested in the politics of the situation, would it be safe to be in the vicinity of any of these demomstrations?
Egypt is usually very safe for tourists walking down the street, so if you keep your wits about you, I'm hoping it's not a case of having to stay indoors at the slightest whiff of some protest.
Nov 29, 2012 5:59 AM
36Damon641: I feel the same way. In fact as someone very interested in the political situation, I would want to be near the demonstration (maybe toward the outside) and be able to ask people their views, the way journalists do. I'm going to have to be willing to get in a car in Cairo traffic (as I was in Delhi), and I imagine the risk to my safety is no greater than that. Could be unlucky, of course.
IDamon641: if you're interested in meeting up for a snack and to share impressions in Cairo (or Luxor or Aswan), let me know.
Nov 29, 2012 8:03 AM
37Thank heavens, some sensible writing on this thread. You guys WANT to be where the political action is, at the demos like the foreign journalists. Good stuff. Just don't listen to those who constantly deny that there is any political violence going on. There is and we all know it.
What you are looking for is called 'bang-bang' travel. It is a travel niche that specializes in danger travel to political hot spots. It's not my scene but I do appreciate it from a distance. Egypt is now a bang-bang travel destination. Maybe not as thrilling as Syria or Iraq but pretty cool just the same.
By the by a Canadian Copt has just been sentenced to death by the Egyptian government for allegedly producing a low budget film criticizing Islam. Poor SOB is worried that he will be kidnapped and brought back to Egypt for execution.
Nov 29, 2012 9:15 AM
Nov 29, 2012 10:18 AM
39Ha, I'm certainly not looking for any 'bang-bang' travel.
Nor do I want to be around any rioting and tear gas. But I don't want to be such a shrinking tourist either, who goes to pieces just because of political events happening somewhere.
I've seen plenty of demonstrations in the UK, so why is it that we're told to be so careful overseas all the time? (It's not the same though I know).
I was in Athens earlier in the year and it was intersesting to see the city as it is now.
Lots of riot police standing around in the side streets smoking and drinking iced coffees.
And it certainly wasn't dangerous or even unnerving. Egypt is a bit different of course, as being a western tourist you are always an outsider .... but if I thought it was that bad I wouldn't be going.
Darwinist, I don't see why not. I haven't planned to go south though, just Siani, Cairo and a few places in the north.
Nov 29, 2012 11:08 AM
40Poor SOB is worried that he will be kidnapped and brought back to Egypt for execution.
I don't think he needs to worry.Now if it was America doing the 'rendition' or whatever they call it, he'd better make his will pronto.
Nov 29, 2012 1:28 PM
41Could I please suggest that those not interested in contributing to the intended topic of this thread just get their kicks communicating some other way. Why this place over all other places on the internet? My guess is it's just one 13-year-old kid doing the whole childish "dialogue."
Anyone have anything more informative to say about Egypt?
Nov 29, 2012 7:26 PM
42"I'm going to Cairo in two weeks, and I don't mind demos and some trouble in the streets as long as people aren't having a go at passing tourists. I presume that's not the case?"
It's unlikely, but can't be ruled out. I don't know what you are thinking of as "trouble in the streets", but I can't see how tear gas or birdshot would add to your touristic experience. Demonstrations are unpredictable, especially when they involve large numbers of people who are out to have a fight with a very well armed and brutal police force which doesn't particularly mind who gets hit when it fires back. That's been at least partially the pattern here over the past twelve days.
If you are a woman, I would recommend staying well away from any protests, crowds, or areas where there is no police presence (the police are usually withdrawn from a largish area around protest locations).
"As someone who's interested in the politics of the situation, would it be safe to be in the vicinity of any of these demomstrations?"
My answer would be "no". It's never massively safe. Sometimes it's decidedly dangerous. Lowest on the risk scale is largish demonstrations called by mainstream Islamists, especially if the Muslim Brotherhood is involved. However, some more radical Salafis have held protests that turned very nasty when they got too close to the Ministry of Defence back during the presidential elections.
Protests called by the main secular centrist and centre-left groups are next-lowest on the danger scale, but I would strongly recommend staying away. The reason is that they often involve the same issues, or take place in the same areas, that get angry young men out to take on the police. That's often a feature of demonstrations, as it was last Friday and Tuesday - a calm and peaceful crowd in one area and only a small distance away violent clashes. The problem is that the violent clashes can very easily end up moving fast and catching up people who were only up for the peaceful demo. Sometimes there are also gangs of thugs within the main boy of demonstrators. You probably need to be pretty well aware of the Egyptian political situation, local geography, and what's going on in general to know what's relatively safe on any given occasion. Things that look ok can turn horribly violent very quickly.
Edited by: fear_rua
Nov 30, 2012 1:26 AM
43What I mean fear_rua about ''not minding'' there being a bit of trouble on the streets, is not that I want to get right next to it, but that I shouldn't be one of these people who think that as an obvious tourist you have to get out of any country the minute there an any protests and instability. Would that not be like people saying it's too dangerous to go to a football match in Europe because there is sometimes crowd trouble at them?
For me the only problem would be if foreigners were actually being targeted in a violent way.
I think it's possible to anticipate that coming in the same way you would avoid trouble in your own country, or travelling abroad in western countries where in many neighbourhoods you have to show a degree of caution.
What I don't always appreciate is the idea that as westerners we are so foreign in countries like Egypt that we can never be just another person walking down the street in the same way it is in our multi-cultural diverse cities where people are from any and everywhere.
I will certainly not be going into north Sinai though as that would be foolish, but it's a bigger problem dealing with people who are touting rather than with people wanting to attack foreigners I would have thought.
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