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Everything that needs to be said was stated in the very last sentence in post #13 and the very first sentence in post #14.

That pretty much wraps it all up.

Good bye. Safe travels.

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laketraveller can't answer the simple question, 'If not by force, how did Israel start?'

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#15 (travellerway)

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Israel, the Jewish state, "started" with a UN resolution in 1947 which recommended the creation of a Jewish state and an Arab state in what was British Mandatory Palestine. The Arabs rejected this resolution. Therefore, the Jewish state was "forced" to defend itself against the destructive "forces" of the Arabs. Is that the "force" you had in mind?

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Which Jewish people are you referring to?
Those in Israel are 99.9% in favour of the Jewish state.
Also, outside Israel, the vast majority are in favour of a Jewish state.
What - to you - is "many"?

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So do Israelis. Side by side in peace with the Palestinians, each in their own state.

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First of all, there was never a state called Palestine.
Secondly, just asking a question like that shows how ignorant you are of the conflict and the cultures involved. That's like implying that one can form a bi-national state with, say, Norwegians and Saudis.

In 1947 the British realized that there no way to form a single viable state in British Mandatory Palestine (BMP), which was the purpose of the Mandate. So they brought it to the UN for a decision. The UN reached the same conclusion and, therefore decided to partition BMP into one Arab state and one Jewish state.

I hope this prompts you to go and learn something about the region, but I'm not holding my breath. :)

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Explain how an outside institution can have any authority over the indigenous people of Palestine?

Today in America and Australia, the indigenous people have some (land) rights....day by day palestinians are losing their land and their rights with millions of Palestinian refugees around the world.

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Do you mean like the way the European powers carved up Africa to suit their agenda rather than what was logical and good for the indigenous people? Or the way they carved up Kurdistan so that today Turkey, Iran, Syria and Iraq are "outside institutions" with authority over the "indigenous people"? At least we have one thing in common. We both don't think much of the UN, and its resolutions are only recommendations and can be accepted or rejected by the parties concerned.

BTW, the Jews were always one of the "indigenous people" living in what was BMP. And they were there long before the Arab "occupation" of the area in the 7th century.